Re: routing between provider edge and CPE routers

2003-01-30 Thread Petri Helenius
You don't say whether you're using Cisco, but recent IOSes have no trouble with huge configurations. You may have to use 'service compress-config'. Just stay with some specific items on large configurations though. DonĀ“t for example dream of large access lists or your box will crash and burn.

Re: routing between provider edge and CPE routers

2003-01-30 Thread Miquel van Smoorenburg
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mike Bernico [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, by accepting routes from CPE you create a huge security vulnerability for your customers, and other parties. This practice was understood as a very bad network engineering for decades. Is there someplace I can find

routing between provider edge and CPE routers

2003-01-29 Thread Mike Bernico
Hi, I apologize if this has been asked before. I work for an ISP that started very small (hundreds of T1 and 56k customers) and has grown very large in the last few years (thousands of T1 customers, as well as DS3 customers and OC3 customers). We currently use an IGP to route between our

Re: routing between provider edge and CPE routers

2003-01-29 Thread Bruce Robertson
We switched to BGP just recently, before things got out of hand. I highly recommend that you do so. It really does work better. It's very nice seeing your OSPF config carry essentially just the loopback interfaces. In particular I'm wondering about the thousands of lines of configuration

Re: routing between provider edge and CPE routers

2003-01-29 Thread Christopher L. Morrow
On Wed, 29 Jan 2003, Mike Bernico wrote: Hi, I apologize if this has been asked before. I work for an ISP that started very small (hundreds of T1 and 56k customers) and has grown very large in the last few years (thousands of T1 customers, as well as DS3 customers and OC3 customers).

Re: routing between provider edge and CPE routers

2003-01-29 Thread Serge Maskalik
My recommendation would be for you to: o redistribute directly connected interfaces via a strict filter into BGP and use iBGP to carry it around the local AS or o use passive interfaces in IGPs to do the same Avoid having to run a topology computation everytime a

Re: routing between provider edge and CPE routers

2003-01-29 Thread Vadim Antonov
On Wed, 29 Jan 2003, Christopher L. Morrow wrote: On Wed, 29 Jan 2003, Mike Bernico wrote: We currently use an IGP to route between our distribution routers and the CPE routers we manage. So, if customers bounce your IGP churns away? And customers have access to your IGP data

RE: routing between provider edge and CPE routers

2003-01-29 Thread Mike Bernico
-Original Message- From: Bruce Robertson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 11:09 AM To: Mike Bernico Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: routing between provider edge and CPE routers We switched to BGP just recently, before things got out of hand. I highly

RE: routing between provider edge and CPE routers

2003-01-29 Thread Mike Bernico
So, by accepting routes from CPE you create a huge security vulnerability for your customers, and other parties. This practice was understood as a very bad network engineering for decades. Is there someplace I can find tidbits of information like this? I haven't been alive decades so I

RE: routing between provider edge and CPE routers

2003-01-29 Thread Vadim Antonov
On Wed, 29 Jan 2003, Mike Bernico wrote: Is there someplace I can find tidbits of information like this? I haven't been alive decades so I must have missed that memo. Other than this list I don't know where to find anyone with lots of experience working for a service provider. Well, this

RE: routing between provider edge and CPE routers

2003-01-29 Thread Ray Burkholder
might yield some more hits. -Original Message- From: Vadim Antonov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: January 29, 2003 21:50 To: Mike Bernico Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: routing between provider edge and CPE routers On Wed, 29 Jan 2003, Mike Bernico wrote: Is there someplace I can