Re: size of the routing table is a big deal, especially in IPv6

2004-11-30 Thread Joe Loiacono
Please see an earlier write-up below. Will we run into IPv6 routing table problems without more formalized aggregation guidelines? "The general guiding principal for the allocation of IPv6 address space is as follows: " /48 in the general case, except for very large subscribers " /64

Re: size of the routing table is a big deal, especially in IPv6

2004-11-30 Thread Jeroen Massar
On Tue, 2004-11-30 at 10:01 +0200, Hank Nussbacher wrote: > At 08:14 PM 29-11-04 -0800, Tony Li wrote: > >My preferred solution at this point is for the UN to take over management > >of the entire Internet and for them to issue a policy of one prefix per > >country. > > If the customer doesn't

Re: size of the routing table is a big deal, especially in IPv6

2004-11-30 Thread Hank Nussbacher
At 08:14 PM 29-11-04 -0800, Tony Li wrote: In the decentralized world of the Internet, we have a bigger problem in that we do not have a clear entity that impose the necessary regulatory pressures and there is no commercial pressure. All we can do is to ask people to be good Internet citizens a

Re: size of the routing table is a big deal, especially in IPv6

2004-11-29 Thread Daniel Senie
At 12:00 AM 11/30/2004, Jeff Kell wrote: Tony Li wrote: If there was a way that these costs were reallocated to the site that decided to be multihomed, then the economics of the situation would balance. Imagine paying US $10K/yr to advertise a single prefix and you would get to a point where pe

Re: size of the routing table is a big deal, especially in IPv6

2004-11-29 Thread Wayne E. Bouchard
On Mon, Nov 29, 2004 at 08:14:27PM -0800, Tony Li wrote: > My preferred solution at this point is for the UN to take over > management of the entire Internet and for them to issue a policy of one > prefix per country. This will have all sorts of nasty downsides for > national providers and fol

Re: size of the routing table is a big deal, especially in IPv6

2004-11-29 Thread Jeff Kell
Tony Li wrote: If there was a way that these costs were reallocated to the site that decided to be multihomed, then the economics of the situation would balance. Imagine paying US $10K/yr to advertise a single prefix and you would get to a point where people would make some more rational decis

RE: size of the routing table is a big deal, especially in IPv6

2004-11-29 Thread Scott Morris
You make it sound like the politics involved in a regulatory/governed setting are different than those involved in a commercial setting. In the end, it's all about economics. I think the UN has enough trouble managing the things it attempts to manage right now. Don't let them try to be technica

Re: size of the routing table is a big deal, especially in IPv6

2004-11-29 Thread Robert E . Seastrom
Tony Li <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > My preferred solution at this point is for the UN to take over > management of the entire Internet and for them to issue a policy of > one prefix per country. This will have all sorts of nasty downsides > for national providers and folks that care about opt

RE: size of the routing table is a big deal, especially in IPv6

2004-11-29 Thread Joe Johnson
I'm sorry, North Korea is in the UN. My mistake. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Johnson Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 10:25 PM To: Tony Li; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: size of the routing table is a big deal, especial

RE: size of the routing table is a big deal, especially in IPv6

2004-11-29 Thread Joe Johnson
My preferred solution at this point is for the UN to take over management of the entire Internet and for them to issue a policy of one prefix per country. This will have all sorts of nasty downsides for national providers and folks that care about optimal routing, but it's the only way that

Re: size of the routing table is a big deal, especially in IPv6

2004-11-29 Thread Tony Li
Daniel Senie wrote: There are basically two issues: the forwarding table and BGP processing. Information in the forwarding table needs to be found *really* fast. Fortunately, it's possible to create datastructures where this is possible, to all intends and purposes, regardless of the size of t

Re: size of the routing table is a big deal, especially in IPv6

2004-11-29 Thread Daniel Senie
At 06:33 PM 11/29/2004, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: On 28-nov-04, at 5:20, Daniel Roesen wrote: I find it interesting that no operators are screaming that there will be too many routes, but that all the IPv6 researchers are bringing forth this view. ACK. All the "oh our IPv4 DFZ table explodes tod

Re: size of the routing table is a big deal, especially in IPv6

2004-11-29 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 28-nov-04, at 5:20, Daniel Roesen wrote: I find it interesting that no operators are screaming that there will be too many routes, but that all the IPv6 researchers are bringing forth this view. ACK. All the "oh our IPv4 DFZ table explodes today" is similarily unfounded as far as I'm aware. I