so, how would you justify giving users security? [was: Re: botted hosts]

2005-04-04 Thread Gadi Evron
senders and sender-isp's have a long list of things they have to do in order to not be compared to toxic polluters (a term i believe michael rathbun coined for use in this context, and for which i am thankful.) don't try to make this about right-to-communicate or who-gets-to-decide. I don't see

Re: so, how would you justify giving users security? [was: Re: botted hosts]

2005-04-04 Thread J.D. Falk
On 04/04/05, Gadi Evron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Most people won't care about their freedom if they can do whatever they want by asking for it. Most users want Web, Mail and IM. Three things. How are any of these guys who could easily get their privileges (and your responsibilities) back

Re: so, how would you justify giving users security? [was: Re: botted hosts]

2005-04-04 Thread Gadi Evron
J.D. Falk wrote: On 04/04/05, Gadi Evron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Most people won't care about their freedom if they can do whatever they want by asking for it. Most users want Web, Mail and IM. Three things. How are any of these guys who could easily get their privileges (and your

Re: so, how would you justify giving users security? [was: Re: botted hosts]

2005-04-04 Thread Petri Helenius
Gadi Evron wrote: Between spam, spyware and worms, not to mention scans ad attacks, I suppose that a large percentage of the Internet already is pay-for-junk? No. Most of the Internet is p2p file sharing, which does not fall into the categories mentioned. (at least mostly it doesn't) Pete

Re: so, how would you justify giving users security? [was: Re: botted hosts]

2005-04-04 Thread Jay R. Ashworth
On Mon, Apr 04, 2005 at 08:46:42PM +0200, Gadi Evron wrote: As a geek, do you not want the Internet to still be here *completely* OPEN and FREE in the future? And this is the point question. Much innovation is due to the open end-to-end characteristic of the current network. By all means,

Re: so, how would you justify giving users security? [was: Re: botted hosts]

2005-04-04 Thread Stephen J. Wilcox
On Mon, 4 Apr 2005, Gadi Evron wrote: Anyone ever considered just closing these ports? People will pay you more and just for your ACL services! You can put all your troubles you would need to do this on a per customer interface basis ie not at an aggregation point but on each ppp

Re: so, how would you justify giving users security? [was: Re: botted hosts]

2005-04-04 Thread John Dupuy
As a point of discussion regarding port 25 filtering. Let's look at two possible future models: For both these models, today's weak-security SMTP is still used for email. The ISP having the sender of email is called SendISP. The ISP with the recipient mailserver is called RecvISP. MODEL A: ISPs