RE: NANOG 40 agenda posted

2007-05-30 Thread michael.dillon
In the past we've used www6 for v6 only, www4 for v4 only, and www has both v6 and v4. Which works fine for you and me, but not for my mother. Which means it is an excellent suggestion for the transition phase into an IPv6 Internet. Since that happens to be where we are right now, IPv6

Re: why same names, was Re: NANOG 40 agenda posted

2007-05-30 Thread Nathan Ward
On 30/05/2007, at 8:00 PM, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: I can't seem to reach www.ietf.org over IPv6 these days and I have to wait 10 seconds before I fall back to IPv4. What browser are you using that falls back? Does it require hints (ie. unreachables, or similar) or does a timeout in

RE: IPv6 Advertisements

2007-05-30 Thread Barry Greene (bgreene)
This assumes a single machine scanning, not a botnet of 1000 or even the 1.5m the dutch gov't collected 2 yrs ago. Again, a sane discussion is in order. Scanning isn't AS EASY, but it certainly is still feasible, With 1.5 million hosts it will only take 3500 years... for a

Re: IPv6 Deployment (Was: Re: NANOG 40 agenda posted)

2007-05-30 Thread Kevin Loch
Donald Stahl wrote: If ARIN is going to assign /48's, and people are blocking anything longer than /32- well then that's a problem :) To be specific, ARIN is currently assigning up to /48 out of 2620::/23. I noticed that http://www.space.net/~gert/RIPE/ipv6-filters.html has the following

Re: 6bone space used still in the free (www.ietf.org over IPv6 broken) (Was: why same names, was Re: NANOG 40 agenda posted)

2007-05-30 Thread Mike Leber
On Wed, 30 May 2007, Jeroen Massar wrote: [let me whine again about this one more time... *sigh*] [guilty parties in cc + public ml's so that every body sees again that this is being sent to you so that you can't deny it... *sigh again*] Actually appreciated, as the only sessions with 3ffe

RE: 6bone space used still in the free (www.ietf.org over IPv6 broken) (Was: why same names, was Re: NANOG 40 agenda posted)

2007-05-30 Thread James Jun
I think what's going on is that packets from www.ietf.org don't make it back to my ISP. A ping6 or traceroute6 doesn't show any ICMP errors and TCP sessions don't connect so it's not a PMTUD problem. So it's an actual timeout. I also just started noticing this, that is, that it does

Re: NANOG 40 agenda posted

2007-05-30 Thread Jared Mauch
On Wed, May 30, 2007 at 12:40:00PM -0700, Randy Bush wrote: This is a grand game of chicken. The ISPs are refusing to move first due to lack of content pure bs. most significant backbones are dual stack. you are the chicken, claiming the sky is falling. I'd have to say I

Re: dual-stack [was: NANOG 40 agenda posted]

2007-05-30 Thread Donald Stahl
I guess we have different definitions for most significant backbones. Unless you mean they have a dual-stack router running _somewhere_, say, for instance, at a single IX or a lab LAN or something. Which is not particularly useful if we are talking about a significant backbone. Rather than

Re: DHCPv6 and stateless autoconf, was: NANOG 40 agenda posted

2007-05-30 Thread David W. Hankins
On Wed, May 30, 2007 at 09:10:02PM +0200, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: If you like DHCP, fine, run DHCP. But I don't like it, so please don't force _me_ to run it. OK, I can (and do) live with that. I tend to prefer technical reasons to choose a technology (and in so doing, hope to avoid

Re: 6bone space used still in the free (www.ietf.org over IPv6 broken) (Was: why same names, was Re: NANOG 40 agenda posted)

2007-05-30 Thread virendra rode //
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 James Jun wrote: I think what's going on is that packets from www.ietf.org don't make it back to my ISP. A ping6 or traceroute6 doesn't show any ICMP errors and TCP sessions don't connect so it's not a PMTUD problem. So it's an actual timeout. I

Re: Microsoft and Teredo

2007-05-30 Thread matthew zeier
I gotta say that until I saw your blog I had no idea my Windows Mobile phone spoke v6. Very cool. Sean Siler wrote: I understand some questions recently arose regarding Microsoft and Teredo. I tried reading through the archives but it has more twists that Pacific Coast Highway. Are

Re: dual-stack [was: NANOG 40 agenda posted]

2007-05-30 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
I've been trying to collect the info about services (including ISPs and transit providers) and products (software and hardware) that say they offer IPv6 (still in the phase of verifying one by one, but almost done !). Is still not complete, but I think provides a good picture.

Re: Microsoft and Teredo

2007-05-30 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
Hi Nathan, I can probably talk about our own experience ... We started running Teredo Server+Relay in the Windows 2003 implementation around 3-4 years ago (not completely sure right now). Unfortunately, when the Service Pack (SP1 I think) was released, stopped working. Until then it was

Re: Microsoft and Teredo

2007-05-30 Thread Nathan Ward
On 31/05/2007, at 10:52 AM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote: Hi Nathan, I can probably talk about our own experience ... We started running Teredo Server+Relay in the Windows 2003 implementation around 3-4 years ago (not completely sure right now). Unfortunately, when the Service Pack (SP1

Re: IPv6 Deployment

2007-05-30 Thread Randy Bush
what problem is it that IPv6 is actually supposed to solve? that's an easy one. in 1993-5, the press was screaming that we were about to run out of ip space. a half-assed design was released. the press stopped screaming. victory was declared, everyone went home. and, as usual, ops and

Re: IPv6 Deployment

2007-05-30 Thread Randy Bush
Most of those features were completely gone by 1995 TLAs et alia lasted until 2000+. and i think anycast is still broken, though we can at least ignore it and use v4-style anycast, which turns out to be what we need. leaving larger address space as the sole practical benefit and no actual

Re: IPv6 Deployment

2007-05-30 Thread Randy Bush
i think anycast is still broken, though we can at least ignore it and use v4-style anycast, which turns out to be what we need. recant i am told by a good friend who lurks that this was actually fixed a year or two ago. a team of ops-oriented folk were sufficiently persistent and strident to

Re: IPv6 Deployment

2007-05-30 Thread John Curran
At 6:28 PM -0700 5/30/07, Randy Bush wrote: well, you get two points for copping to it. i lay on the train tracks and was squashed. Well, I became a contentious objector... (RFC1669). One can confirm a real sense of humor to the cosmos, because I now get to be lead advocate for the very

Re: IPv6 Deployment

2007-05-30 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Wed, 30 May 2007 18:52:12 PDT, Randy Bush said: i think anycast is still broken, though we can at least ignore it and use v4-style anycast, which turns out to be what we need. recant i am told by a good friend who lurks that this was actually fixed a year or two ago. a team of