Re: large organization nameservers sending icmp packets to dns servers.

2007-08-06 Thread Joe Abley
On 6-Aug-2007, at 16:31, Peter Dambier wrote: John L wrote: Um, unless I seriously misunderstand the client DNS cache wants to know which server is closest. So it sends DNS queries to all three NS at the same time. Then it waits for the answers. Whichever one answers first is the clos

Re: large organization nameservers sending icmp packets to dns servers.

2007-08-06 Thread Peter Dambier
John L wrote: Um, unless I seriously misunderstand the client DNS cache wants to know which server is closest. So it sends DNS queries to all three NS at the same time. Then it waits for the answers. Whichever one answers first is the closest. What am I missing? The bind_garbadge_col

Re: large organization nameservers sending icmp packets to dns servers.

2007-08-06 Thread Chris L. Morrow
On Mon, 6 Aug 2007, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: first I agree that in most cases the 'RTT to client cacheresolver' probably works well enough. That said though... > Owen said it worked well for his customers (in a past life), and he > has operational experience with this. Can anyone give a ser

Re: large organization nameservers sending icmp packets to dns servers.

2007-08-06 Thread Patrick W. Gilmore
On Aug 6, 2007, at 1:47 PM, John L wrote: Why would they ping rather than just sending the query to all of the NS and see which one answers first? It's an IP round trip either way. If you have sites in San Fran, London, and Tokyo, and you launch a ping from all 3 and see which one gets t

Re: large organization nameservers sending icmp packets to dns servers.

2007-08-06 Thread Steve Atkins
On Aug 6, 2007, at 10:21 AM, John Levine wrote: Sounds like one of the global-scale load balancers - when you do a (presumably) recursive DNS lookup of one of their hosts, they'll ping the nameserver from several locations and see which one gets an answer the fastest. Why would they pin

Re: large organization nameservers sending icmp packets to dns servers.

2007-08-06 Thread Duane Wessels
On Mon, 6 Aug 2007, John Levine said: Why would they ping rather than just sending the query to all of the NS and see which one answers first? It's an IP round trip either way. ping targets are of the caching nameserver type, not the authoritative nameserver type. Duane W.

Re: large organization nameservers sending icmp packets to dns servers.

2007-08-06 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 17:21:49 -, John Levine said: > > >> Sounds like one of the global-scale load balancers - when you do a > >> (presumably) recursive DNS lookup of one of their hosts, they'll ping > >> the nameserver from several locations and see which one gets an > >> answer the fastest. >

Re: large organization nameservers sending icmp packets to dns servers.

2007-08-06 Thread John Levine
>> Sounds like one of the global-scale load balancers - when you do a >> (presumably) recursive DNS lookup of one of their hosts, they'll ping >> the nameserver from several locations and see which one gets an >> answer the fastest. Why would they ping rather than just sending the query to all of