Re: Misguided SPAM Filtering techniques

2007-10-22 Thread Dave Pooser
> I use an authenticated TLS-protected mailhost at home for submitting my > email for delivery. Unfortunately, networks have taken to: > > outright blocking 25 and 587 except to their own servers. Back in the day AT&T dial-up blocked port 25 outgoing (except to their own servers) for the first

Re: Misguided SPAM Filtering techniques

2007-10-22 Thread Sean Figgins
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1) I'm being asked to verify my address because some malware found my address on a hard drive and stuck it in the From: field. I'm sorry, but if you're asking me to verify that, it *is* a burden - you are admittedly *starting off* assuming that it's bad and *needs* some

Re: Misguided SPAM Filtering techniques

2007-10-22 Thread Sean Figgins
Dave Pooser wrote: I call BS. I ran sender-callout verification on my primary email server for a while (before I became convinced it was mildly abusive, and stopped) and typically blocked 2-3 spams per day. In fact, I had more FPs than legit spam blocked by that method. 2-3 spams a day? That

Re: Misguided SPAM Filtering techniques

2007-10-22 Thread Sean Figgins
Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: Where did you get that 99% #? Statistics from my own mail server. Yours may vary. In the course of 6 months, on one honey-pot email address, I received about 10,000 spam messages that were classified as from forged addresses by spam assassin. I'm sure you are fa

Re: Misguided SPAM Filtering techniques

2007-10-22 Thread Dave Pooser
> And that is probably just fine, as 99% of the true spam comes from email > addresses (and often doamins) that either do not exist, or often are not > configured to receive email. I call BS. I ran sender-callout verification on my primary email server for a while (before I became convinced it wa

Re: Misguided SPAM Filtering techniques

2007-10-22 Thread Al Iverson
On 10/22/07, Sean Figgins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Dave Pooser wrote: > > > Whenever I get one of those, I go ahead and confirm the message so the spam > > gets through to the end user. I figure if they think I'm gonna filter their > > mail for free, well, they get what they pay for. :^) >

Re: Misguided SPAM Filtering techniques

2007-10-22 Thread Sean Figgins
Dave Pooser wrote: Whenever I get one of those, I go ahead and confirm the message so the spam gets through to the end user. I figure if they think I'm gonna filter their mail for free, well, they get what they pay for. :^) And that is probably just fine, as 99% of the true spam comes from e

Re: Misguided spam Filtering techniques

2007-10-22 Thread Rich Kulawiec
[ "Subject:" line corrected, noting that "SPAM" is a trademark of Hormel and "spam" is the slang term for unsolicited bulk email. ] On Sun, Oct 21, 2007 at 10:27:24AM -0400, D'Arcy J.M. Cain wrote: > Of course, I fixed the issue for myself by simply blocking > spamarrest.com. I have no need to c

Re: Misguided SPAM Filtering techniques

2007-10-22 Thread Al Iverson
On 10/22/07, Suresh Ramasubramanian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 10/22/07, William Herrin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Do you publish SPF records so that remote sites can detect forgeries > > claiming to be from your domain? > > In other words "Do you play russian roulette with your email

Re: Can P2P applications learn to play fair on networks?

2007-10-22 Thread Charles Gucker
On 10/22/07, Alexander Harrowell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >MSO's typically understand this as eyeball heavy content > >retrieval, not content generation > > I was under the impression Comcast advertised Internet access, which > is read/write. Clearly I was mistaken... This is correct,

Re: Comcast blocking p2p uploads

2007-10-22 Thread Alexander Harrowell
On 10/22/07, Andy Davidson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > In the UK at least, option 1) is financially more favourable for > ISPs, since the data flow is > vendor -> transit -> last mile -> end user, > rather than > end user -> last mile -> last mile -> end user. > > The last mil

Re: Can P2P applications learn to play fair on networks?

2007-10-22 Thread Alexander Harrowell
>MSO's typically understand this as eyeball heavy content >retrieval, not content generation I was under the impression Comcast advertised Internet access, which is read/write. Clearly I was mistaken... Really, the heart of the matter is that in doing this they are not being honest with their cu

Re: Can P2P applications learn to play fair on networks?

2007-10-22 Thread Geo.
In the absence of the P2P applications, the limits were fine, so hurting the P2P application may be a preferable solution to the ISP charging everyone more to support the excessive bandwidth usage of the 2-3% of subscribers who use P2P applications, I'd like to know where you get the 2-3%