Re: [Nanog] P2P traffic optimization Was: Lies, Damned Lies, and Statistics [Was: Re: ATT VP: Internet to hit capacity by 2010]

On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 6:30 PM, Laird Popkin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I would certainly view the two strategies (reverse engineering network > information and getting ISP- > provided network information) as being complimentary. As you point out, for > any ISP that doesn't > provide network d

Re: [Nanog] Lies, Damned Lies, and Statistics [Was: Re: ATT VP: Internet to hit capacity by 2010]

In case anyone's curious, there's more info on P4P at http://cs-www.cs.yale.edu/homes/yong/p4p/index.html. - Laird Popkin, CTO, Pando Networks mobile: 646/465-0570 - Original Message - From: "michael dillon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: nanog@nanog.org Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 6:40:1

Re: [Nanog] Lies, Damned Lies, and Statistics [Was: Re: ATT VP: Internet to hit capacity by 2010]

> However, as your chunk scheduling becomes more effective, it > usually becomes more expensive. At some point, its increasing > complexity will reverse the trend and start slowing down > copies, as real-world clients begin to block making chunk > requests waiting for CPU to make scheduling dec

Re: [Nanog] Lies, Damned Lies, and Statistics [Was: Re: ATT VP: Internet to hit capacity by 2010]

On 4/23/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Well. here's your problem; depending on the architecture, the > > IP addressing structure doesn't necessarily map to the > > network's cost structure. This is why I prefer the > > P4P/DillTorrent announcement model. > > > What's with th

Re: [Nanog] P2P traffic optimization Was: Lies, Damned Lies, and Statistics [Was: Re: ATT VP: Internet to hit capacity by 2010]

I would certainly view the two strategies (reverse engineering network information and getting ISP-provided network information) as being complimentary. As you point out, for any ISP that doesn't provide network data, we're better off figuring out what we can to be smarter than 'random'. So whil

Re: [Nanog] Lies, Damned Lies, and Statistics [Was: Re: ATT VP: Internet to hit capacity by 2010]

> Well. here's your problem; depending on the architecture, the > IP addressing structure doesn't necessarily map to the > network's cost structure. This is why I prefer the > P4P/DillTorrent announcement model. What's with these cute cryptic and ultimately meaningless names? I used the term "

Re: [Nanog] Outlook Junk Email After Migration?

Thanks, didn't realize Outlook filters would look into headers. So far that seems to be working. Matthew Evans, MCSA Alpha Theory | "the right decision, every time." 2201 Coronation Blvd., Suite 140 Charlotte, NC 28227 www.alphatheory.com ALPHA THEORY QUICK DEMO (click here) -Origi

Re: [Nanog] Outlook Junk Email After Migration?

On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 17:52:07 -0400 Matthew Evans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is anyone else have a problem with the NANOG messages ending up in their > Outlook Junk Email folder since the migration to nanog.org? It only seems to > happen when someone replies to another post and CC's nanog@nanog.

Re: [Nanog] Routing Policy Information

> -Original Message- > From: Eric Van Tol [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 5:56 PM > To: Fouant, Stefan; nanog@nanog.org > Subject: RE: Routing Policy Information > > > -Original Message- > > From: Fouant, Stefan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Wednes

Re: [Nanog] Outlook Junk Email After Migration?

I have outlook spam filtering turned off so I haven't seen a problem. You can always create a rule saying if "nanog.org" is in the header and 'my name is not in the TO box' to move to the 'nanog' folder...or something similar... -Ray -Original Message- From: Matthew Evans [mailto:[EMAIL

Re: [Nanog] Routing Policy Information

> -Original Message- > From: Fouant, Stefan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 5:23 PM > To: nanog@nanog.org > Subject: [Nanog] Routing Policy Information > > > > > > Hi folks, > > > > Wondering if there is a good repository of information somewhere > which > outli

[Nanog] Outlook Junk Email After Migration?

Hello all, Is anyone else have a problem with the NANOG messages ending up in their Outlook Junk Email folder since the migration to nanog.org? It only seems to happen when someone replies to another post and CC's nanog@nanog.org rather than replying to nanog@nanog.org directly. If anyone else

[Nanog] Routing Policy Information

Hi folks, Wondering if there is a good repository of information somewhere which outlines the various major ISPs routing policies such as default local-pref treatment for customers vs. peers, handling of MED, allowed prefix-lengths from customers, etc. or would one have to contact each ISP

Re: [Nanog] P2P traffic optimization Was: Lies, Damned Lies, and Statistics [Was: Re: ATT VP: Internet to hit capacity by 2010]

On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 3:50 PM, Laird Popkin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Apr 23, 2008, at 2:17 PM, Christopher Morrow wrote: > > > On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 11:39 AM, Alexander Harrowell > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 3:47 PM, Christopher Mo

[Nanog] Fwd: IANA Update: Project to convert registries to XML

Knowing that some here use this data for ops purposes.FYI -- Forwarded message -- From: Michelle Cotton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 12:49:44 -0700 Subject: IANA Update: Project to convert registries to XML To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> IETF Commu

[Nanog] [NANOG-announce] Program Committee vacancy: call for volunteers

Ted Seely has decided to step down from the NANOG Program Committee. On behalf of the Program Committee, and the NANOG community as a whole, I'd like to thank Ted for his many years of service to NANOG, not just in his capacity as a member of the Program Committee, but as a presenter and active pa

Re: [Nanog] Crypto export restricted prefix list

For the archives, my google skills returned and I found this: http://www.countryipblocks.net/ On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 4:05 PM, Kevin Blackham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is there a prefix list available listing the IP space of cryptographic > export restricted countries? My google skills are fa

[Nanog] P2P traffic optimization Was: Lies, Damned Lies, and Statistics [Was: Re: ATT VP: Internet to hit capacity by 2010]

On Apr 23, 2008, at 2:17 PM, Christopher Morrow wrote: > On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 11:39 AM, Alexander Harrowell > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 3:47 PM, Christopher Morrow >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>> It strikes me that often just doing a reverse lookup on

Re: [Nanog] Lies, Damned Lies, and Statistics [Was: Re: ATT VP: Internet to hit capacity by 2010]

On Apr 23, 2008, at 1:45 PM, Daniel Reed wrote: > On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 5:12 AM, Petri Helenius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>> But there is another way. That is for software developers to build a >>> modified client that depends on a topology guru for information

Re: [Nanog] Lies, Damned Lies, and Statistics [Was: Re: ATT VP: Internet to hit capacity by 2010]

On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 11:39 AM, Alexander Harrowell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 3:47 PM, Christopher Morrow > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > It strikes me that often just doing a reverse lookup on the peer > > address would be 'good enough' to keep things more '

Re: [Nanog] Lies, Damned Lies, and Statistics [Was: Re: ATT VP: Internet to hit capacity by 2010]

On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 5:12 AM, Petri Helenius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > But there is another way. That is for software developers to build a > > modified client that depends on a topology guru for information on the > > network topology. This topology guru would

Re: [Nanog] Lies, Damned Lies, and Statistics [Was: Re: ATT VP: Internet to hit capacity by 2010]

On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 3:47 PM, Christopher Morrow < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It strikes me that often just doing a reverse lookup on the peer > address would be 'good enough' to keep things more 'local' in a > network sense. Something like: > > 1) prefer peers with PTR's like mine (perhaps

Re: [Nanog] Lies, Damned Lies, and Statistics [Was: Re: ATT VP: Internet to hit capacity by 2010]

On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 10:48 AM, Laird Popkin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This raises an interesting issue - should optimization of p2p traffic (P4P) > be based on "static" network information, or "dynamic" network information. > It's certainly easier for ISP's to provide a simple network map t

Re: [Nanog] ATT VP: Internet to hit capacity by 2010

Am 23.04.2008 um 16:08 schrieb Williams, Marc: > Just an ad hi marc cool . so i have 3 computers that does not do the job and i have not much money can you send me one of those;) ? Or cheapest_beta_tester_non_commercial_offer you can make . ? I accept offlist conversation. thanks and sor

Re: [Nanog] ATT VP: Internet to hit capacity by 2010

Here is a spec sheet : Regards Marshall On Apr 23, 2008, at 10:08 AM, Williams, Marc wrote: > Just an ad used to illustrate the low cost and ease of use. The > fact that it's quicktime also made me realize it's also ipods, >

Re: [Nanog] ATT VP: Internet to hit capacity by 2010

Just an ad used to illustrate the low cost and ease of use. The fact that it's quicktime also made me realize it's also ipods, iphones/wifi, and that Apple has web libraries ready for web site development on their darwin boxes. Also, I would imagine this device could easily be cross connected

Re: [Nanog] ATT VP: Internet to hit capacity by 2010

> > If the content senders do not want this dipping and levelling > > off, then they will have to foot the bill for the network capacity. > > That's kind of the funniest thing I've seen today, it sounds > so much like an Ed Whitacre. > Then Ed learns that > the people he'd like to charge fo