Re: [NANOG] Multihoming for small frys?

2008-05-21 Thread Andy Dills
On Tue, 20 May 2008, Tony Varriale wrote: AFAIK, ARIN doesn't give out /22s anymore. Last time I went to the well...it's was a /20 or better. Nah, it's /22 for multi-homed networks, /20 for single-homed. http://www.arin.net/registration/guidelines/ipv4_initial_alloc.html 4.3.2.2

Re: [NANOG] Unique v6 (video) content

2008-05-21 Thread Stanislav Sedov
On Tue, 20 May 2008 14:52:24 +0300 Max Tulyev [EMAIL PROTECTED] mentioned: Hello Michael, I'm getting the permanent error message: Works fine here. You should try different URL. The page you're requesting contains an actual URL to the video, http://cdn4.nacevi.cz//CT24-PAL in IPv6 case.

Re: [NANOG] Unique v6 (video) content

2008-05-21 Thread Sargun Dhillon
I wonder when IPv6porn.com is coming online. We're all waiting on Kevin Day @ Your.org. The latest mailing list updated was positive [This morning 5 AM PST8PDT]. Seems DNS has dissapeared for it though. It should give a decent boost to IPv6 traffic. We're all going to have a fun time dealing with

Re: [NANOG] Unique v6 (video) content

2008-05-21 Thread Kevin Day
On May 21, 2008, at 10:56 AM, Sargun Dhillon wrote: I wonder when IPv6porn.com is coming online. We're all waiting on Kevin Day @ Your.org. It honestly is coming soon! :) As I mentioned on the mailing list ( http://mail.your.org/pipermail/v6test/2008-May/65.html ), there are some

Cisco Security Advisory: Cisco IOS Secure Shell Denial of Service

2008-05-21 Thread Cisco Systems Product Security Incident Response Team
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Cisco Security Advisory: Cisco IOS Secure Shell Denial of Service Vulnerabilities Advisory ID: cisco-sa-20080521-ssh http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/707/cisco-sa-20080521-ssh.shtml Revision 1.0 For Public Release 2008 May 21 1600 UTC (GMT

Re: [NANOG] Multihoming for small frys?

2008-05-21 Thread Heather Schiller
William Herrin wrote: Hi folks, An administrative question about multihoming: I have a client who needs to multihome with multiple vendors for reliability purposes, currently in the Northern Virginia area and later on with a fail-over site, probably in Hawaii. They have only a very modest need

RE: [NANOG] Multihoming for small frys?

2008-05-21 Thread Security Admin (NetSec)
I got a /22 from ARIN last year; ASN 36516. Is the /20 only rule relatively new? Not multi-homed yet because my 2nd provider does not support it yet. Best Regards, Edward Ray -Original Message- From: Tony Varriale [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 9:32 PM To: Andy

Re: [NANOG] Multihoming for small frys?

2008-05-21 Thread david raistrick
On Tue, 20 May 2008, Tony Varriale wrote: AFAIK, ARIN doesn't give out /22s anymore. It's a recent change in the past couple of years. Still current: However, for multi-homed organizations, the minimum allocation size is a /22

Re: Renumbering, was: [NANOG] Multihoming for small frys?

2008-05-21 Thread Deepak Jain
Can we all agree that while renumbering sucks, a /24 (or less) is a pretty low-pain thing to renumber (vs. say, renumbering a /20 or shorter prefix?) In an ideal world, you never have to renumber because your allocations were perfect from the get-go. We've all been to the other, more

Re: Renumbering, was: [NANOG] Multihoming for small frys?

2008-05-21 Thread David Coulson
Deepak Jain wrote: Can we all agree that while renumbering sucks, a /24 (or less) is a pretty low-pain thing to renumber (vs. say, renumbering a /20 or shorter prefix?) In an ideal world, you never have to renumber because your allocations were perfect from the get-go. Depends - If you're an

Re: [NANOG] Multihoming for small frys?

2008-05-21 Thread Sean Figgins
William Herrin wrote: I have a client who needs to multihome with multiple vendors for reliability purposes, currently in the Northern Virginia area and later on with a fail-over site, probably in Hawaii. They have only a very modest need for bandwidth and addresses (think: T1's and a few dozen

Re: [NANOG] Multihoming for small frys?

2008-05-21 Thread Pete Templin
Tony Varriale wrote: Thanks for the info. We needed larger than /22 anyways. I am a bit surprised that they will hand out a small allocaiton for multihomers. These days it's very easy to do. And, could be a easy way to horde some v4. Nope, you can horde a /24 for a single device, but

Re: Renumbering, was: [NANOG] Multihoming for small frys?

2008-05-21 Thread David Coulson
Jack Bates wrote: I had the same issue. Add to that recursive DNS servers and the support issues of everything that depends on them in and not in your direct control. Indeed. I recall Proxy ARP and a lot of NAT was involved :) At least you can keep track of the people who didn't update their

Re: [NANOG] Multihoming for small frys?

2008-05-21 Thread Seth Mattinen
Sean Figgins wrote: Now, I have a question about this... Is the customer using the sites for redundancy, and will have both upstream providers in each site? Honestly, a small operation like this may be better served by multiple connections to the same provider. Such a setup can usually be

Re: [NANOG] Limiting ICMP

2008-05-21 Thread John Kristoff
On Sat, 17 May 2008 23:53:00 -0400 Drew Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm wondering if anyone else has run into this/has heard of/(is responsible for)/knows the reason behind large IP providers limiting ICMP on outbound connections to the same amounts regardless of the size of the circuit?

Re: [NANOG] Limiting ICMP

2008-05-21 Thread Rob Thomas
Yep, agreed, we need to update those docs. The basic ICMP filtering guide still resides here, and comments are welcome: http://www.cymru.com/Documents/icmp-messages.html John Kristoff wrote: On Sat, 17 May 2008 23:53:00 -0400 Drew Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm wondering if anyone

[NANOG-announce] Lightning Talk submissions open for NANOG42

2008-05-21 Thread Todd Underwood
/me dons the NANOG PC Chair hat again Lightning talk submissions for NANOG42 are now open: http://nanogpc.org/lightning/ Lightning talks are short talks of interest to the audience in line with the rest of the program. They are strictly limited to 10 minutes (including questions). Lightning

[NANOG-announce] New socials for NANOG 42 Brooklyn -- Register

2008-05-21 Thread Todd Underwood
hat org=NANOG group=program committee role=chair howdy, NANOG42 will take place in brooklyn, NY in about a week and a half. there are two new socials (you can read socials as free drinks and snacks) that have been added to the agenda at http://nanog.org/mtg-0806/agenda.html * equinix is

[NANOG-announce] Program Committee Vacancy Call for Volunteers Extension

2008-05-21 Thread Todd Underwood
. o O ( i'm thinking about just leaving this program committee chair hat on) the call for volunteers to the nanog program committee (originally sent: http://mailman.nanog.org/pipermail/nanog/2008-April/000153.html ) has been extended through the end of the weekend (to sunday, 25 may 2008).

Re: [NANOG] Multihoming for small frys?

2008-05-21 Thread Sean Figgins
Seth Mattinen wrote: About two years ago, maybe less, Sprint was doing some maintenance in California and was moving stuff through an alternate path in Arizona. However, while the CA path was off, someone took a backhoe to the AZ path. Neither the planned outage, the cut, nor myself were in

Re: [NANOG] Multihoming for small frys?

2008-05-21 Thread Tony Varriale
Yup. You can horde. You can easily justify a /23 these days and not be multihomed still get a /22. tv - Original Message - From: Pete Templin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tony Varriale [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: nanog@nanog.org Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 3:32 PM Subject: Re: [NANOG]

RE: Renumbering, was: [NANOG] Multihoming for small frys?

2008-05-21 Thread McMasters, Jeremy
I worked for an ISP that was bought by another ISP and had to assign all new IP's roughly a /16 worth. Good times. Only one ASN thank goodness -Original Message- From: Deepak Jain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 4:09 PM To: nanog list Subject: Re: Renumbering,

Re: [NANOG] Multihoming for small frys?

2008-05-21 Thread Robert E. Seastrom
It's always been possible to get resources by lying or committing fraud - the common law crime of obtaining property by false pretenses predates the Internet by a substantial margin. ---rob Tony Varriale [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yup. You can horde.

RE: [NANOG] Multihoming for small frys?

2008-05-21 Thread William Mullaney
I got a /22 in January, and was told by someone from ARIN that the policy below only applied to allocations to ISP's, not to assignments for end customers. At the time, they said an end user must show at least 25% immediate usage (so a /24) and that there was no requirement for future usage. In