AW: OS, Hardware, Network - Logging, Monitoring, and Alerting

2008-06-26 Thread Tom Quilling
hi jeffrey I personally prefer hobbit over cacti and nagios http://sourceforge.net/projects/hobbitmon/ http://hobbitmon.sourceforge.net/ Thomas Quilling NCIR GmbH Network, Consulting Internet Services Munich / Germany [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Ursprungliche Nachricht- Von: Rev. Jeffrey

Re: OS, Hardware, Network - Logging, Monitoring, and Alerting

2008-06-26 Thread Laurence F. Sheldon, Jr.
Rev. Jeffrey Paul wrote: Hi. I've a (theoretically) simple problem and I'm wondering how others solve it. Taken one at a time, mos of them are simple. Most of life is like that. 1) Is SNMP the best way to do this? Obviously some of the data (service checks) will need to be collected

ICANN opens up Pandora's Box of new TLDs

2008-06-26 Thread Jim Popovitch
Two years ago I posed the question here about the need for TLDs (http://www.mcabee.org/lists/nanog/May-06/msg00110.html). I summerizsed that companies IP (Intellectual Property) guidelines would never allow domain.org to exist if they owned domain.com (ibm.org vrs ibm.com).I felt that TLDs

Re: ICANN opens up Pandora's Box of new TLDs

2008-06-26 Thread Jay R. Ashworth
On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 04:09:30PM -0400, Jim Popovitch wrote: Two years ago I posed the question here about the need for TLDs (http://www.mcabee.org/lists/nanog/May-06/msg00110.html). I summerizsed that companies IP (Intellectual Property) guidelines would never allow domain.org to exist if

Re: ICANN opens up Pandora's Box of new TLDs

2008-06-26 Thread Zaid Ali
I hear from my friend's attending ICANN in Paris that there are tons of business folks who want to scoop up a gTLD. I haven't heard of anything that will be structured so looks like it will be a blood bath. Zaid On Jun 26, 2008, at 1:34 PM, Ken Simpson wrote: Two years ago I posed the

Re: ICANN opens up Pandora's Box of new TLDs

2008-06-26 Thread David Conrad
On Jun 26, 2008, at 1:34 PM, Ken Simpson wrote: How will ICANN be allocating these? https://par.icann.org/files/paris/GNSO-gTLD-Update-Paris22jun08.pdf Regards, -drc

Re: ICANN opens up Pandora's Box of new TLDs

2008-06-26 Thread Jeroen Massar
David Conrad wrote: On Jun 26, 2008, at 1:34 PM, Ken Simpson wrote: How will ICANN be allocating these? https://par.icann.org/files/paris/GNSO-gTLD-Update-Paris22jun08.pdf and http://www.circleid.com/posts/86262_launch_of_paris_domain_icann/ and

Possible explanations for a large hop in latency

2008-06-26 Thread Frank Bulk
Our upstream provider has a connection to ATT (12.88.71.13) where I relatively consistently measure with a RTT of 15 msec, but the next hop (12.122.112.22) comes in with a RTT of 85 msec. Unless ATT is sending that traffic over a cable modem or to Europe and back, I can't see a reason why there

Re: ICANN opens up Pandora's Box of new TLDs

2008-06-26 Thread Brandon Butterworth
And no, companies *aren't* forced to pay for another domain name just because a new TLD appears -- they aren't doing it *now* Oh yes we are brandon

RE: ICANN opens up Pandora's Box of new TLDs

2008-06-26 Thread Martin Hannigan
And no, companies *aren't* forced to pay for another domain name just because a new TLD appears -- they aren't doing it *now*, by and large, and thank ghod: The last time I looked there were a few thousand companies protecting their intellectual property by using companies like Mark Monitor

Re: ICANN opens up Pandora's Box of new TLDs

2008-06-26 Thread Owen DeLong
On Jun 26, 2008, at 4:07 PM, Martin Hannigan wrote: And no, companies *aren't* forced to pay for another domain name just because a new TLD appears -- they aren't doing it *now*, by and large, and thank ghod: The last time I looked there were a few thousand companies protecting

Re: ICANN opens up Pandora's Box of new TLDs

2008-06-26 Thread Ken Simpson
Has anyone been able to figure out what it will cost to secure a completely un-contested tld? I haven't been able to find proposed fees anywhere. I think it will be a practical necessity for all organizations to secure their own TLD at the outset, lest someone else secure it for them and

Re: ICANN opens up Pandora's Box of new TLDs

2008-06-26 Thread Jason Williams
3. It is somewhat anti-social to do so, but, that has rarely been a constraint on corporate greed, especially amongst the Intelectual Property crowd. It doesn't seem to me to be anti-social behavior to ensure when your customers mistype your domain as a .net or .de (depending on the

Re: ICANN opens up Pandora's Box of new TLDs

2008-06-26 Thread Brandon Butterworth
1.Nobody is FORCING them to do so. scammers, squaters and click collectors 3.It is somewhat anti-social to do so So are the abusers. If someone is going to it may as well be us (marginally less evil) brandon

Re: ICANN opens up Pandora's Box of new TLDs

2008-06-26 Thread Marshall Eubanks
, there's a good potential for that kind of an outcome. This gives an (unofficial) estimate : http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080626-confusion-icann-opens-up-pandoras-box-of-new-tlds.html .confusion: ICANN opens up Pandora's Box of new TLDs By Jacqui Cheng | Published: June 26

RE: ICANN opens up Pandora's Box of new TLDs

2008-06-26 Thread Martin Hannigan
1.Nobody is FORCING them to do so. scammers, squaters and click collectors 3.It is somewhat anti-social to do so So are the abusers. If someone is going to it may as well be us (marginally less evil) There are probably some variations based on the zone, languages, IDN'ability,

Re: Possible explanations for a large hop in latency

2008-06-26 Thread James R. Cutler
Deep Packet Inspection engine delay. G On Jun 26, 2008, at 6:51 PM, Frank Bulk wrote: Our upstream provider has a connection to ATT (12.88.71.13) where I relatively consistently measure with a RTT of 15 msec, but the next hop (12.122.112.22) comes in with a RTT of 85 msec. Unless ATT is

Re: Possible explanations for a large hop in latency

2008-06-26 Thread John T. Yocum
When I asked ATT about the sudden latency jump I see in traceroutes, they told me it was due to how their MPLS network is setup. --John Frank Bulk wrote: Our upstream provider has a connection to ATT (12.88.71.13) where I relatively consistently measure with a RTT of 15 msec, but the next hop

Re: ICANN opens up Pandora's Box of new TLDs

2008-06-26 Thread Marshall Eubanks
On Jun 26, 2008, at 7:58 PM, Ken Simpson wrote: This gives an (unofficial) estimate : http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080626-confusion-icann-opens-up-pandoras-box-of-new-tlds.html .confusion: ICANN opens up Pandora's Box of new TLDs By Jacqui Cheng | Published: June 26, 2008 - 12

Re: ICANN opens up Pandora's Box of new TLDs

2008-06-26 Thread Ken Simpson
On that note, it will be very interesting to see who manages to register the *.sucks TLD, and what they do with it. Oooh -- dibs on that one. And .some, so you can register awe.some, trouble.some, and fear.some. And .ous, which would allow humm.ous, seri.ous, fabul.ous, etc.. Oh - vomit

RE: ICANN opens up Pandora's Box of new TLDs

2008-06-26 Thread TJ
Ah, but some are ... for trademark or brand protection usually. I know _one_ company that paid $140k just for domain names related to a rebranding effort. /TJ -Original Message- From: Brandon Butterworth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 6:59 PM To:

RE: Possible explanations for a large hop in latency

2008-06-26 Thread Frank Bulk - iNAME
Did that satisfy you? I guess with MPLS they could tag the traffic and send it around the country twice and I wouldn't see it at L3. Frank -Original Message- From: John T. Yocum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 7:04 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: nanog list

Re: Possible explanations for a large hop in latency

2008-06-26 Thread John T. Yocum
The explanation I got, was that the latency seen at the first hop was actually a reply from the last hop in the path across their MPLS network. Hence, all the following hops had very similar latency. Personally, I thought it was rather strange for them to do that. And, I've never seen that

Re: ICANN opens up Pandora's Box of new TLDs

2008-06-26 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Ken Simpson [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Oooh -- dibs on that one. And .some, so you can register awe.some, trouble.some, and fear.some. And .ous, which would allow humm.ous, seri.ous, fabul.ous, etc.. Somebody on /. mentioned .dot, so you could tell someone to go to: eych

Re: Possible explanations for a large hop in latency

2008-06-26 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
On Thu, 26 Jun 2008, John T. Yocum wrote: The explanation I got, was that the latency seen at the first hop was actually a reply from the last hop in the path across their MPLS network. Hence, all the following hops had very similar latency. Personally, I thought it was rather strange for

Re: Possible explanations for a large hop in latency

2008-06-26 Thread Robert Richardson
They probably don't propagate TTL w/in their MPLS core. Depending on how they have MPLS implemented, you may only see 2 hops on the network; the ingress and egress routers. If the ingress router was in NYC and the egress in Seattle, you could understandably expect a large jump in RTT. Not an

Re: ICANN opens up Pandora's Box of new TLDs

2008-06-26 Thread Tuc at T-B-O-H.NET
Two years ago I posed the question here about the need for TLDs (http://www.mcabee.org/lists/nanog/May-06/msg00110.html). This all should have been solved by allowing those who wanted/applied for TLDs to be granted them back in 1995 when originally requested :

Re: ICANN opens up Pandora's Box of new TLDs

2008-06-26 Thread Tuc at T-B-O-H.NET
Once upon a time, Ken Simpson [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Oooh -- dibs on that one. And .some, so you can register awe.some, trouble.some, and fear.some. And .ous, which would allow humm.ous, seri.ous, fabul.ous, etc.. Somebody on /. mentioned .dot, so you could tell someone to go to:

RE: Possible explanations for a large hop in latency

2008-06-26 Thread Frank Bulk - iNAME
Thanks for the added information. Even if their MPLS path went from the midwest (where I'm located) to San Francisco and then back to St. Louis (where 12.122.112.22 appears to be), I don't think that accounts for a 70 msec jump in traffic. And I don't think they would (intentionally) create such

Re: Possible explanations for a large hop in latency

2008-06-26 Thread Tim Peiffer
We had a similar situation going from Minneapolis to Kansas City via Chicago. Normal latency from Minneapolis to Chicago via Level3 MPLS network is about 14msec RTT. When the the circuit from Minneapolis to Chicago went out for one reason or another, our MPLS link went from Minneapolis to

Re: ICANN opens up Pandora's Box of new TLDs

2008-06-26 Thread Jason Williams
You are welcome to ascribe it to whatever you want. I will note that very few Non-profit organizations engage in such behavior. Very few governments do so, either. In fact, absent a corporate profit motive, this behavior seems very rare. Given the level of customer service most

RE: Possible explanations for a large hop in latency

2008-06-26 Thread Frank Bulk - iNAME
Interestingly enough, when I trace from my Cisco router it seems to show some MPLS labels after the hop of interest (12.88.71.13 to 12.122.112.78, only 24 msec here!). I'm not sure how our Cisco box derives these from a foreign network. Router#traceroute 69.28.226.193 Type escape sequence

Re: ICANN opens up Pandora's Box of new TLDs

2008-06-26 Thread Rich Kulawiec
On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 01:34:22PM -0700, Ken Simpson wrote: How will ICANN be allocating these? An auction format? It will be a blood bath otherwise.. And for abuse and spam, this is a nightmare. There's no doubt this last will happen since it has *already* happened, as I pointed out in a

Re: ICANN opens up Pandora's Box of new TLDs

2008-06-26 Thread John Levine
Is there any full disclosure clause in ICANN member contracts such that gifts from, or stock in, a Registrar would be declared? Since ICANN doesn't have members, no. R's, John

Re: Possible explanations for a large hop in latency

2008-06-26 Thread Randy Bush
Frank Bulk - iNAME wrote: Just google tbr1.sl9mo.ip.att.net and it's clear that high latency through that point has occurred before. And guess what kind of customer complained to me about the latency? A gamer. you can pay a lot of money for the net propagation anomaly detection services that

Re: ICANN opens up Pandora's Box of new TLDs

2008-06-26 Thread David Conrad
On Jun 26, 2008, at 8:12 PM, Jim Popovitch wrote: Is there any full disclosure clause in ICANN member contracts such that gifts from, or stock in, a Registrar would be declared? Not sure who an ICANN member would be. ICANN as a California 501c(3) has to publish all it's financial details.

Re: ICANN opens up Pandora's Box of new TLDs

2008-06-26 Thread David Conrad
On Jun 26, 2008, at 9:01 PM, Jean-François Mezei wrote: Does anyone know how if the new gTLD system will still give some veto power to some people over some domain names that are morally objectable to some people ? See pages 17 - 20 of

Re: OS, Hardware, Network - Logging, Monitoring, and Alerting

2008-06-26 Thread Paul Armstrong
At 2008-06-26T02:22-0700, Rev. Jeffrey Paul wrote: Other stuff we really need to keep an eye on is hardware - redundant PSU status in our 7204s and Dells, temperatures and voltages Do yourself a favor, monitor temp in C. Most stuff only does C, people burn routers if there's a mix of C and F