Re: NANOG 44 and ARIN XXII - Live from Los Angeles in HD video

2008-10-15 Thread Anton Kapela
Streams are back up for the last day of NANOG, later covering ARIN for the remainder of the week. Since it's mostly talking heads, I've lowered the bitrate of the h264 versions, and removed cpu-consuming options (i.e. no CABAC) ~27 megabit MPEG2 HD: udp://233.0.236.20:1234 (udp, mp2ts) ~2

Re: NANOG 44 and ARIN XXII - Live from Los Angeles in HD video

2008-10-15 Thread Anton Kapela
One last message... Audio-only streams are up, and will be fur the durration. Mp3 and AAC+ are available. Find them here: http://classic.shoutcast.com/directory/index.phtml?s=ARIN+XXII -Tk

Re: NANOG 44 and ARIN XXII - Live from Los Angeles in HD video

2008-10-15 Thread Ken A
Anton Kapela wrote: Streams are back up for the last day of NANOG, later covering ARIN for the remainder of the week. Since it's mostly talking heads, I've lowered the bitrate of the h264 versions, and removed cpu-consuming options (i.e. no CABAC) ~27 megabit MPEG2 HD: udp://233.0.236.20:123

Network topology

2008-10-15 Thread Colin Alston
Hi all I'm considering trying to come up with some means to automatically detect a networks topology and draw pretty pictures. This is somewhat boring though if a network isn't well arranged with VLANs and q-tag trunk routers and so on (It will just look like a big cloud of junk connected off

Re: Network topology

2008-10-15 Thread Bill Woodcock
On Wed, 15 Oct 2008, Colin Alston wrote: > I'm considering trying to come up with some means to automatically detect > a networks topology and draw pretty pictures. InterMapper. http://dartware.com/network_monitoring_products/intermapper/index.html

Re: Network topology

2008-10-15 Thread Brian Feeny
And another one, that I believe is a commercial product: http://www.solarwinds.com/products/lansurveyor/ On Oct 15, 2008, at 12:29 PM, Bill Woodcock wrote: On Wed, 15 Oct 2008, Colin Alston wrote: I'm considering trying to come up with some means to automatically detect a networks to

Re: Network topology

2008-10-15 Thread Colin Alston
On 2008/10/15 06:29 PM Bill Woodcock wrote: InterMapper. http://dartware.com/network_monitoring_products/intermapper/index.html -Bill Whoa, quite a serious looking piece of software. Will check it out. Was kinda hoping to write my own software though, b

Re: The DDOS problem & security BOF: Am i mistaken?

2008-10-15 Thread Danny McPherson
Scott, Given that I both co-moderated the ISP security BOF AND gave a ~9 minute presentation covering *empirical* data and stats of observed attack vectors across 100 ISP networks over 640 days, and shared a slide or two with stats from an infrastructure security survey we've been doing and shari

Re: The DDOS problem & security BOF: Am i mistaken?

2008-10-15 Thread Jeffrey Lyon
Let me avoid being long winded and just put on my Captain Obvious cape. Avoid magic DDoS appliances, particularly those that require some type of relationship or deposit to be made in advance no matter how "risk free." There is a reason why these vendor presentations aren't meeting your expectation

Re: Network topology [Solved]

2008-10-15 Thread Colin Alston
On 2008/10/15 06:29 PM Colin Alston wrote: Is there any kind of cunning trick to detect standard layer2 switches along a path without stuff like STP? Apparently there isn't. Lots of people mentioned other tools, the problem there is they have one thing in common which is polling SNMP. I think

Re: Network topology [Solved]

2008-10-15 Thread Larry Sheldon
Colin Alston wrote: Maybe there should be something (I mean like, someone should come up with a standard :P) to trace switches in a path... Problem is I think even then the simple devices won't bother to support it. I have been away from it for ma while and in truth don't know the answer--bu

RE: Network topology [Solved]

2008-10-15 Thread Holmes,David A
If the switches are Cisco, then Cisco Works has a L2 STP forwarding path graphical display which can be used in cases where the L3 path is a logical abstraction overlaid on the underlying L2 topology. -Original Message- From: Larry Sheldon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, Octobe

Re: Network topology [Solved]

2008-10-15 Thread Colin Alston
On 2008/10/15 08:49 PM Larry Sheldon wrote: Colin Alston wrote: Maybe there should be something (I mean like, someone should come up with a standard :P) to trace switches in a path... Problem is I think even then the simple devices won't bother to support it. I have been away from it for ma

Re: The DDOS problem & security BOF: Am i mistaken?

2008-10-15 Thread Warren Kumari
On Oct 14, 2008, at 12:08 PM, Scott Doty wrote: First, the good news: so far, the NANOG conference has been very valuable and content-rich, covering a lot of issues that need to be discussed. For that, I am grateful. But now, the bad news(?): Maybe it's just me & my paranoia, but do I

Re: The DDOS problem & security BOF: Am i mistaken?

2008-10-15 Thread Rodney Joffe
Scott, On Oct 14, 2008, at 9:08 AM, Scott Doty wrote: First, the good news: so far, the NANOG conference has been very valuable and content-rich, covering a lot of issues that need to be discussed. For that, I am grateful. Thank you. We worked hard to make it valuable. But now, the ba

Re: The DDOS problem & security BOF: Am i mistaken?

2008-10-15 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 4:05 PM, Warren Kumari <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Oct 14, 2008, at 12:08 PM, Scott Doty wrote: >> When a vendor at the security BOF starts showing documents that are >> "company >> confidential", and trying to whip up a climate of fear, that we should all >> deploy t

Re: Network topology

2008-10-15 Thread Ian Mason
On 15 Oct 2008, at 17:52, Colin Alston wrote: On 2008/10/15 06:29 PM Bill Woodcock wrote: InterMapper. http://dartware.com/network_monitoring_products/ intermapper/index.html -Bill Whoa, quite a serious looking piece of software. Will check it out. Was

Re: The DDOS problem & security BOF: Am i mistaken?

2008-10-15 Thread Dean Anderson
On Tue, 14 Oct 2008, Scott Doty wrote: > First, the good news: so far, the NANOG conference has been very > valuable and content-rich, covering a lot of issues that need to be > discussed. For that, I am grateful. > > But now, the bad news(?): Maybe it's just me & my paranoia, but do I > detec

Re: Network topology [Solved]

2008-10-15 Thread David W. Hankins
On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 08:35:33PM +0200, Colin Alston wrote: > Apparently there isn't. Lots of people mentioned other tools, the problem > there is they have one thing in common which is polling SNMP. I think it > scales badly in general. I was hoping to find a more intelligent way of, I I don

Re: The DDOS problem & security BOF: Am i mistaken?

2008-10-15 Thread Tuc at T-B-O-H.NET
> > Vixie, Conrad, Manning, Woodcock, Curran, Plzak, Ed Lewis, etc all > worked together at ARIN, and have had 22 ARIN employees attend NANOG, > including the ARIN executive secretary. ARIN is giving NANOG $50,000 > checks, even though the Board members have undisclosed conflicts of > interest. A

Re: The DDOS problem & security BOF: Am i mistaken?

2008-10-15 Thread Paul Vixie
"Christopher Morrow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 4:05 PM, Warren Kumari <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> On Oct 14, 2008, at 12:08 PM, Scott Doty wrote: > >>> When a vendor at the security BOF starts showing documents that are >>> "company confidential", and trying to whi

Re: The DDOS problem & security BOF: Am i mistaken?

2008-10-15 Thread Dean Anderson
>> Vixie, Conrad, Manning, Woodcock, Curran, Plzak, Ed Lewis, etc all >> worked together at ARIN, and have had 22 ARIN employees attend NANOG, >> including the ARIN executive secretary. ARIN is giving NANOG $50,000 >> checks, even though the Board members have undisclosed conflicts of >> interest.

ADMIN: off-topic emails

2008-10-15 Thread Simon Lyall
A reminder to all list members that: 1. DNS related questions should usually be sent to more specific lists such as DNS operations: http://lists.oarci.net/mailman/listinfo/dns-operations 2. Discussion regarding the NANOG organisation and political issues surrounding it are off-topic for

Re: The DDOS problem & security BOF: Am i mistaken?

2008-10-15 Thread Tuc at T-B-O-H.NET
> > >> Vixie, Conrad, Manning, Woodcock, Curran, Plzak, Ed Lewis, etc all > >> worked together at ARIN, and have had 22 ARIN employees attend NANOG, > >> including the ARIN executive secretary. ARIN is giving NANOG $50,000 > >> checks, even though the Board members have undisclosed conflicts of >

Re: Network topology [Solved]

2008-10-15 Thread Dale W. Carder
On Oct 15, 2008, at 1:35 PM, Colin Alston wrote: On 2008/10/15 06:29 PM Colin Alston wrote: Is there any kind of cunning trick to detect standard layer2 switches along a path without stuff like STP? Apparently there isn't. Lots of people mentioned other tools, the problem there is they ha

Re: The DDOS problem & security BOF: Am i mistaken?

2008-10-15 Thread Joe Provo
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Re: The DDOS problem & security BOF: Am i mistaken?

2008-10-15 Thread Scott Doty
I do seem to have put my foot in my mouth. I apologize for any offense my comments made, as well as any misunderstanding on my part. I see the note to take this discussion to nanog-futures, so I'll reply further there. And the Security BOF was very good, I was thankful to have been there an