Re: Recommendation of Tools

2008-12-03 Thread Antonio Querubin
On Wed, 3 Dec 2008, Pekka Savola wrote: FWIW, Mtr measures latency/delay and loss based on ICMP messages heard back from the routers on path. As a result, in almost all cases, the real hop-by-hop latency of actual end-to-end data packets is better than it can report. mtr has a recently

Re: Recommendation of Tools

2008-12-03 Thread Fredy Kuenzler
Lee, Steven (NSG Malaysia) schrieb: Hi all, do you have any recommended tools that can measure latency/delay hop by hop basis? Preferable the tools can measure the running (live) traffic. Try Smokeping for long-term latency stats: http://oss.oetiker.ch/smokeping/ Fredy

Re: Recommendation of Tools

2008-12-03 Thread Pekka Savola
On Tue, 2 Dec 2008, Antonio Querubin wrote: On Wed, 3 Dec 2008, Pekka Savola wrote: FWIW, Mtr measures latency/delay and loss based on ICMP messages heard back from the routers on path. As a result, in almost all cases, the real hop-by-hop latency of actual end-to-end data packets is better

Re: an over-the-top data center

2008-12-03 Thread Jean-François Mezei
pardon me for resurrecting this topic... For sites that are built in caves, how do they deal with cabling ? In the pretty pictures of the swedish site, there didn't seem to be an obvious raised floor. And it appeared to be solid concrete floor between the wings containing the systems. And no

RE: Recommendation of Tools

2008-12-03 Thread Christine Lane
A tool which I have heard of is Chariot. I have not used this tool myself and am not aware of its capabilities. I would be interested if anyone else has heard of it and can make any sort of recommendation. Christine -Original Message- From: Hank Nussbacher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: an over-the-top data center

2008-12-03 Thread Måns Nilsson
--On onsdag, onsdag 3 dec 2008 10.47.28 -0500 Jean-François Mezei [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: pardon me for resurrecting this topic... For sites that are built in caves, how do they deal with cabling ? Like any datacenter. Raceways on top of racks or under the floor. _Proper_ datacentres in

Re: TRIP deployment?

2008-12-03 Thread John Todd
[sorry for late reply - .us Thanksgiving plus LIFO mailing list reading creates posting latency] On Nov 24, 2008, at 9:20 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not sure if this is the right mailing list for this question: how widely is TRIP (Telephone Routing over IP [RFC3219]) deployed / used

Re: Recommendation of Tools

2008-12-03 Thread Anders Lindbäck
Mtr is even less usefull then that, in its default mode it does a traceroute and then proceeds to ICMP Ping flood each IP in the list generated by the traceroute, the result is usually completly useless on WAN topologies due to asym-routing, ICMP node protections by carriers and punting

Peering Personals BoF NANOG45, Attention Peering Coordinators

2008-12-03 Thread Aaron Hughes
Attention Peering Coordinators, NANOG45 is approaching quickly and it's time to get our Peering Personals participants lined up for the Peering BoF. Peering Personals is part of the Peering BoF (Birds Of a Feather) session and provides a forum for Peering Coordinators to meet each other with

Re: an over-the-top data center

2008-12-03 Thread Måns Nilsson
--On onsdag, onsdag 3 dec 2008 18.29.54 +0100 Måns Nilsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the pretty pictures of the swedish site, there didn't seem to be an obvious raised floor. There is a raised floor, iirc. There is a raised floor. Have a look at

RE: Recommendation of Tools

2008-12-03 Thread Braun, Mike
If the question is to measure hop by hop latency from source to destination, perhaps across routers you don't manage, how can this be done without using the ICMP time exceeded messages? End to end latency is easily done with Smokeping and the use of TCP (SYN, SYN ACK, ACK, RST) and them

Yahoo DNS broken?

2008-12-03 Thread Larry Daberko
I am unable to resolve www.yahoo.com. Tracing DNS back from the root servers shows that www.yahoo.com is a CNAME to www.wa1.b.yahoo.com and there are no A records for that hostname. Anyone have more details or a Yahoo contact? I'm unable to get to their webpage as it is :-) -Larry Daberko

RE: Yahoo DNS broken?

2008-12-03 Thread Mills, Charles
Their other pages (finance.yahoo.com) and such seem to resolve ok. Wondering if it isn't part of a bigger problem because I got a complaint that many sites Were unreachable for a bit. Chuck Charles L. Mills Senior Network Engineer Access Data Corporation / Pittsburgh, PA 15238 (412) 968-4024 /

Comcast DNS

2008-12-03 Thread Matthew Elmore
Anyone else having problems doing recursive lookups on Comcast's DNS servers?

Re: Yahoo DNS broken?

2008-12-03 Thread Nathan Ward
There is no A records, correct. There is a CNAME though: www.wa1.b.yahoo.com.45 IN CNAME www- real.wa1.b.yahoo.com. www-real.wa1.b.yahoo.com. 45IN A 209.131.36.158 On 4/12/2008, at 9:36 AM, Larry Daberko wrote: I am unable to resolve www.yahoo.com. Tracing DNS

RE: Yahoo DNS broken?

2008-12-03 Thread Erik (Caneris)
Seems to be back up now. -- Erik Caneris Tel: 647-723-6365 Fax: 647-723-5365 Toll-free: 1-866-827-0021 www.caneris.com From: Larry Daberko [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 3:36 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Yahoo DNS broken? I am

Re: Yahoo DNS broken?

2008-12-03 Thread Michael Sinatra
On 12/03/08 12:36, Larry Daberko wrote: I am unable to resolve www.yahoo.com. Tracing DNS back from the root servers shows that www.yahoo.com is a CNAME to www.wa1.b.yahoo.com and there are no A records for that hostname. Anyone have more details or a Yahoo contact? I'm unable to get to their

RE: Yahoo DNS broken?

2008-12-03 Thread Mike Tancsa
At 03:40 PM 12/3/2008, Mills, Charles wrote: Their other pages (finance.yahoo.com) and such seem to resolve ok. Wondering if it isn't part of a bigger problem because I got a complaint that many sites Were unreachable for a bit. www.yahoo.com seems to be a CNAME for wa1.b.yahoo.com and

RE: Yahoo DNS broken?

2008-12-03 Thread Kyle Rollin
Interesting, as my nslookup.. www.yahoo.com Server: ns1.hostremote.net Address: 66.187.130.31 Non-authoritative answer: Name:www.yahoo-ht3.akadns.net Address: 209.191.93.52 Aliases: www.yahoo.com And yes, I can hit http://www.yahoo.com in a web browser. Works for me. -Kyle

RE: Yahoo DNS broken?

2008-12-03 Thread Paul Stewart
I talked to Yahoo! NOC a little while ago and they are working on the issue - definitely DNS related and appears to possibly be east coast only details are vague but they are aware of it and no ETA yet... Paul -Original Message- From: Nathan Ward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent:

RE: Yahoo DNS broken?

2008-12-03 Thread Ed Trdina
It's working for me on my Verizon FIOS connection. Is it yet another geolocation issue? My yahoo resolves to www.yahoo-ht3.akadns.net 209.191.93.52 Ed -Original Message- From: Dave Larter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 3:43 PM To: Larry Daberko;

RE: Yahoo DNS broken?

2008-12-03 Thread Larry Daberko
Yes, I am now seeing the akadns.net address. Looks like went through some fluctuation there, but the site is back up for me now. There is also a report on the outages list. -Larry Daberko -Original Message- From: Kyle Rollin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 03,

RE: Yahoo DNS broken?

2008-12-03 Thread Dave Larter
Yes, I did nslookup and got responses but wouldn't come up in my browser, also to add it seems to be working now. -Original Message- From: Kyle Rollin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 3:48 PM To: Dave Larter; 'Larry Daberko'; nanog@nanog.org Subject: RE:

Re: Yahoo DNS broken?

2008-12-03 Thread Matthew Petach
On 12/3/08, Paul Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I talked to Yahoo! NOC a little while ago and they are working on the issue - definitely DNS related and appears to possibly be east coast only details are vague but they are aware of it and no ETA yet... Paul Yes; actively being

Re: Recommendation of Tools

2008-12-03 Thread Anders Lindbäck
Well, to be somewhat cynical about it, you don't. Either you have an SLA with a delay component, if that is the case the delay is either end-to-end if everything is in the same AS, or host-to-border if the other end is in some other AS. If this is the case you would already have an agreed

Re: Recommendation of Tools

2008-12-03 Thread Andre Gironda
On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 11:01 AM, Anders Lindbäck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And using UDP will not really provide better results due to the same thing, and IIRC Cisco from 12.0 has a standard setting of no more then 1 ICMP Unreach per 500ms.. then connect to a udp service with something like

Re: Recommendation of Tools

2008-12-03 Thread Nick Hilliard
Lee, Steven (NSG Malaysia) wrote: Hi all, do you have any recommended tools that can measure latency/delay hop by hop basis? Preferable the tools can measure the running (live) traffic. Tools like smokeping, mtr, traceroute and all that will give you highly skewed results, whose accuracy will

RE: Recommendation of Tools

2008-12-03 Thread Skywing
The problem is return path ICMP time exceeded from intermediate hops, and not the response from the final destination. – S -Original Message- From: Andre Gironda [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 16:35 To: nanog@nanog.org nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Recommendation of

Re: Recommendation of Tools

2008-12-03 Thread Andre Gironda
On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 3:54 PM, Nick Hilliard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you want to do this properly, you will need to install dedicated measurement hosts hanging off each router and measure response times to them instead. RIPE TTM boxes are pretty good for this: http://www.ripe.net/ttm/

Re: Recommendation of Tools

2008-12-03 Thread Antonio Querubin
Lee, Steven (NSG Malaysia) wrote: Hi all, do you have any recommended tools that can measure latency/delay hop by hop basis? Preferable the tools can measure the running (live) traffic. One other freeware/open-source tool you might want to look at is pchar which attempts to characterize

Re: Recommendation of Tools

2008-12-03 Thread Marc Manthey
Am 04.12.2008 um 01:56 schrieb Antonio Querubin: Lee, Steven (NSG Malaysia) wrote: Hi all, do you have any recommended tools that can measure latency/ delay hop by hop basis? Preferable the tools can measure the running (live) traffic. One other freeware/open-source tool you might want to

Re: Yahoo DNS broken?

2008-12-03 Thread Hank Nussbacher
At 03:47 PM 03-12-08 -0500, Cat Okita wrote: Can someone from Akamai report as to what happened? I did not see any notice on EdgeControl but I did get email from my auto-alerts set up at Akamai as follows: --- NAME:DNS failure TYPE:Origin DNS

Re: an over-the-top data center

2008-12-03 Thread Matthew Moyle-Croft
Gadi, I can't help that you need a few nights away in a lovely Swiss Hotel in order to help those cynical thoughts lift: http://www.news.com.au/travel/story/0,28318,24732642-5014090,00.html :-) MMC On 29/11/2008, at 2:05 PM, Gadi Evron wrote: On Fri, 28 Nov 2008, Howard C. Berkowitz

Telecom Collapse?

2008-12-03 Thread Paul Ferguson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I deliberated for a while on whether to send this, or not, but I figure it might be of interest to this community: http://techliberation.com/2008/12/04/telecom-collapse/ - - ferg -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP Desktop 9.6.3 (Build

RE: Telecom Collapse?

2008-12-03 Thread Alex Rubenstein
I deliberated for a while on whether to send this, or not, but I figure it might be of interest to this community: http://techliberation.com/2008/12/04/telecom-collapse/ Good god. If there is even the mention of a LEC bailout, I am going to go insane and probably shoot someone (those who

Re: Telecom Collapse?

2008-12-03 Thread Mike Lyon
That makes two of us... Anyways, for residential VOIP, where are we these days with E911? Are providers like Vonage and such providing reliable E911 when people call 911? That is one of the major problems I see with the residential realm going with VOIP offerings... -Mike On Wed, Dec 3, 2008