Re: Estimate of satellite vs. Land-based traffic

2009-01-06 Thread Paul Donner
Satellites often sit at the edge of the network. The "orbital last mile" for individual users as well as in-country (Africa for e.g.) ISPs and Enterprise networks. When they go, often there is no backup (except maybe another satellite connection). Sean Donelan wrote: On Tue, 6 Jan 2009, Pau

Re: Estimate of satellite vs. Land-based traffic

2009-01-06 Thread Joel Jaeggli
JF Mezei wrote: > Northern communities in Canada's arctic rely exclusively on satellite > for voice/data. > > Not a lot of data flowing comparatively, but it is their only option so > it is more of a "mission critical" thing than a backup. Also high latitudes are problematic as far as your link b

Re: Estimate of satellite vs. Land-based traffic

2009-01-06 Thread Sean Donelan
On Tue, 6 Jan 2009, Paul Donner wrote: WRT Kevin's query, if you are concerned about a solar incident and it's affects on satcom, you might want to take a look at what user base (e.g. which mobile users and what impact loss of comm will have on what they are doing) is affected rather than under

Re: Estimate of satellite vs. Land-based traffic

2009-01-06 Thread JF Mezei
Northern communities in Canada's arctic rely exclusively on satellite for voice/data. Not a lot of data flowing comparatively, but it is their only option so it is more of a "mission critical" thing than a backup.

Re: Estimate of satellite vs. Land-based traffic

2009-01-06 Thread Paul Donner
Jeffrey, While technically you are correct, I would say that you probably should also add a category for mobile communications LAND/SEA/AIR. The traffic for these will be increasing in time as vendors are starting to put switches and routers on-board spacecraft making applications that were

Re: Ethical DDoS drone network

2009-01-06 Thread Edward B. DREGER
RD> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 09:48:16 +0800 RD> From: Roland Dobbins RD> When one has a network/system in which the basic security BCPs RD> haven't been implemented, it makes little sense to expend scarce RD> resources testing when those resources could be better-employed RD> hardening and increasing

Re: Ethical DDoS drone network

2009-01-06 Thread Roland Dobbins
On Jan 7, 2009, at 9:40 AM, Edward B. DREGER wrote: Even when a system is highly deterministic, such as a database, one still expects _real-world_ testing. Traffic flows on large networks are highly stochastic... and this includes OPNs, which I posit are futile to attempt to model. Sure

Re: Ethical DDoS drone network

2009-01-06 Thread Edward B. DREGER
I propose that we create two Internets. One can be the "testing" Internet, and the other can be "production". To ensure that both receive adequate treatment, they can trade places every few days. If something breaks, it can be moved from "production" to "testing". The detection of hyperbole, sa

Re: Ethical DDoS drone network

2009-01-06 Thread Edward B. DREGER
RD> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 08:50:46 +0800 RD> From: Roland Dobbins RD> > I've seen _many_ routing problems appear in large WANs that simply RD> > can't be replicated with fewer than a hundred or even a thousand RD> > routers. RD> Users can simulate many of these conditions themselves using various

Re: Ethical DDoS drone network

2009-01-06 Thread Roland Dobbins
On Jan 7, 2009, at 1:05 AM, Stephen Sprunk wrote: I've seen _many_ routing problems appear in large WANs that simply can't be replicated with fewer than a hundred or even a thousand routers. Users can simulate many of these conditions themselves using various open-source and commercial

Re: Estimate of satellite vs. Land-based traffic

2009-01-06 Thread Sean Donelan
On Tue, 6 Jan 2009, kevin.sm...@dca.state.fl.us wrote: Participting in a severe solar event EXERCISE. Can anyone give me an educated guesstimate of the percentage of backbone traffic that is satellite dependent vs. that which is totally land-based? The last FCC statistics I found researching t

Re: Estimate of satellite vs. Land-based traffic

2009-01-06 Thread Jeffrey Lyon
Kevin, Satellite transport is common mainly in areas where land based infrastructure is not feasible. In developed nations this is almost exclusively the case. Satellite latency is far too high to rely on it for routine communications unless used as a last resort. Best regards, Jeff On Tue, Jan

Re: Estimate of satellite vs. Land-based traffic

2009-01-06 Thread Simon Lockhart
On Tue Jan 06, 2009 at 03:34:31PM -0500, kevin.sm...@dca.state.fl.us wrote: > Participting in a severe solar event EXERCISE. Can anyone give me an > educated guesstimate of the percentage of backbone traffic that is > satellite dependent vs. that which is totally land-based? Depends on the countr

Estimate of satellite vs. Land-based traffic

2009-01-06 Thread Kevin . Smith
All, Participting in a severe solar event EXERCISE. Can anyone give me an educated guesstimate of the percentage of backbone traffic that is satellite dependent vs. that which is totally land-based? Thanks Kevin Smith Information Systems & Services Department of Community Affairs kevin.sm..

RE: [SPAM-HEADER] - Re: Northern Ireland undersea branch to be implemented - Email has different SMTP TO: and MIME TO: fields in the email addresses

2009-01-06 Thread Rod Beck
It can be done very quickly. We've committed to fast delivery. The terrestrial conduit and fibre is ready to go ... Roderick S. Beck Director of European Sales Hibernia Atlantic 13-15, rue Sedaine, 75011 Paris http://www.hiberniaatlantic.com Wireless: 1-212-444-8829. French Landline: 33+1+4355+

Re: question about BGP default routing

2009-01-06 Thread Edward B. DREGER
cK> Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 07:40:16 -0500 (EST) cK> From: chloe K cK> Why it needs default routes when running BGP? If you have a full table, you do not need default. It's even desirable to drop road-to-nowhere packets inside your network, before they clog up your connections. However, consider

Re: question about BGP default routing

2009-01-06 Thread Edward B. DREGER
KC> Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 21:52:12 -0600 KC> From: Kai Chen KC> Will this default route 0.0.0.0/0 be exporting to AS-level KC> neighbors? You can have it exported, or you can have it not exported. It depends how the route is known (eBGP? OSPF? static?) and what you set BGP to redistribute. Edd

Re: Ethical DDoS drone network

2009-01-06 Thread David Barak
--- On Tue, 1/6/09, Justin Shore wrote: > David Barak wrote: > > Consider for a moment a large retail chain, with > several hundred or a couple thousand locations. How big a > lab should they have before deciding to roll out a new > network something-or-other? Should their lab be 1:10 scale? >

RE: Hirschmann Switches?

2009-01-06 Thread Holmes,David A
If an Industrial Ethernet switch is required it may be productive to look at Ruggedcom products. Ruggedcom has a published upper operating range of +85 C, which we have deployed in outside non-HVAC enclosures in environments where the outside ambient temperature can reach +49 to +55 C for extended

Re: Ethical DDoS drone network

2009-01-06 Thread Stephen Sprunk
Justin Shore wrote: David Barak wrote: Consider for a moment a large retail chain, with several hundred or a couple thousand locations. How big a lab should they have before deciding to roll out a new network something-or-other? Should their lab be 1:10 scale? A more realistic figure is tha

Re: Ethical DDoS drone network

2009-01-06 Thread Justin Shore
David Barak wrote: Consider for a moment a large retail chain, with several hundred or a couple thousand locations. How big a lab should they have before deciding to roll out a new network something-or-other? Should their lab be 1:10 scale? A more realistic figure is that they'll consider t

Re: Hirschmann Switches?

2009-01-06 Thread Niels Bakker
Used a MACH4002 as multicast router at 25C3 (among many other locations in the conference/building network as pure L2 devices). Worked flawlessly. -- Niels. * cbr...@bofhserver.net (Cristian Bradiceanu) [Tue 06 Jan 2009, 16:27 CET]: We have a good experience with Hirschmann (now Beld

Re: Hirschmann Switches?

2009-01-06 Thread Cristian Bradiceanu
We have a good experience with Hirschmann (now Belden) industrial switches, OpenRail RS30 and Modular MICE series. They had some pretty funny software bugs with older software versions. We are using them in MAN ring networks with heavy multicast traffic. Cristian On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 8:27 AM,

RE: ? how cisco router handle the out-of-order ICMP echo-reply packets

2009-01-06 Thread Scott Morris
Guess I'll have to go back and look at wireshark output again... I didn't recall seeing sequence number used in pings between Cisco devices, although that may just be the implementation ('may be used') part. I'll stand corrected. ;) Scott -Original Message- From: Steve Bertrand [mailto

Re: ? how cisco router handle the out-of-order ICMP echo-reply packets

2009-01-06 Thread Steve Bertrand
Steve Bertrand wrote: > Scott Morris wrote: >> There aren't sequence numbers with ICMP. And the timeout value is >> watched/triggered before the next ICMP is sent, so there shouldn't really be >> any ordering problem/interpretation anyway. > > FYI, from RFC 792: My apologies. I should have actua

Re: ? how cisco router handle the out-of-order ICMP echo-reply packets

2009-01-06 Thread Steve Bertrand
Scott Morris wrote: > There aren't sequence numbers with ICMP. And the timeout value is > watched/triggered before the next ICMP is sent, so there shouldn't really be > any ordering problem/interpretation anyway. FYI, from RFC 792: Sequence Number Description The data received in th

Re: Northern Ireland undersea branch to be implemented

2009-01-06 Thread Nick Hilliard
Martin Hannigan wrote: > Is all of this terrestrial network already in place? > > http://www.hiberniaatlantic.com/maps/HA_NIreland_Routes.pdf I understand that it isn't yet, but that it can be built out relatively quickly. Nick

RE: ? how cisco router handle the out-of-order ICMP echo-reply packets

2009-01-06 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
On Tue, 6 Jan 2009, Scott Morris wrote: There aren't sequence numbers with ICMP. And the timeout value is watched/triggered before the next ICMP is sent, so there shouldn't really be any ordering problem/interpretation anyway. Linux ping command does sequencing (so that part of your statement

RE: ? how cisco router handle the out-of-order ICMP echo-reply packets

2009-01-06 Thread Scott Morris
There aren't sequence numbers with ICMP. And the timeout value is watched/triggered before the next ICMP is sent, so there shouldn't really be any ordering problem/interpretation anyway. HTH, Scott -Original Message- From: Zhao Ping [mailto:pzhao...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 06

Re: question about BGP default routing

2009-01-06 Thread chloe K
Sorry I have question Why it needs default routes when running BGP? Thank you Kai Chen wrote: Will this default route 0.0.0.0/0 be exporting to AS-level neighbors? On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 8:49 PM, Edward B. DREGER wrote: > KC> Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 18:05:48 -0600 > KC> From: Kai Che

Re: ? how cisco router handle the out-of-order ICMP echo-reply packets

2009-01-06 Thread Tom Storey
Considering that Ciscos wait for a response before sending the next echo-request, you should never end up in a situation where replys are received out of order. That is going by my knowledge of traditional IOS. Ive not yet had any experience with IOS XE or XR to be able to quote any other e

RE: [SPAM-HEADER] - Re: Northern Ireland undersea branch to be implemented - Email has different SMTP TO: and MIME TO: fields in the email addresses

2009-01-06 Thread Rod Beck
Actually, it is a big deal. Hibernia is already the only cable system that can send Irish traffic directly to North American without backhauling to the UK. That's a significantly latency and diversity advantage. We can now send traffic directly to the US on both cables without UK backhaul and

? how cisco router handle the out-of-order ICMP echo-reply packets

2009-01-06 Thread Zhao Ping
Hi, Does someone happen to know how the Cisco IOS handle the out-of-order ICMP echo-reply packets? print it as success or lose? Thanks, Zhao Ping

Re: Northern Ireland undersea branch to be implemented

2009-01-06 Thread Martin Hannigan
On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 1:02 AM, Martin List-Petersen wrote: > Martin Hannigan wrote: > > Hibernia has been busy. > > > > "THE COMMUNICATIONS minister Eamon Ryan and the North's Enterprise > Minister > > Arlene Foster have announced the awarding of a £30 million (€32 million) > > contract to constr