RE: OT: Voice Operators' Group forming

How's the startup of the list looking? -Original Message- From: Chris Meidinger [mailto:cmeidin...@sendmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 2:42 PM To: Jason LeBlanc Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: OT: Voice Operators' Group forming On 29.07.2009, at 22:52, Jason LeBlanc wrote: > B

Re: Fwd: Dan Kaminsky

valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: ... Mitnick came out and *said* that he knew the site was insecure, but since no sensitive data was on there, it didn't matter. Presumably the site's monthly cost, convenience, user-interface, and so on, outweigh the effort of occasionally having to recover after

Re: Dan Kaminsky

On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 03:48:18PM -0700, Dragos Ruiu wrote: > > On 29-Jul-09, at 9:23 PM, Randy Bush wrote: > > >Ettore Bugatti, maker of the finest cars of his day, was once asked > >why > >his cars had less than perfect brakes. He replied something like, > >"Any > >fool can make a car sto

Re: Dan Kaminsky

On 29-Jul-09, at 9:23 PM, Randy Bush wrote: LAS VEGAS — Two noted security professionals were targeted this week by hackers who broke into their web pages, stole personal data and posted it online on the eve of the Black Hat security conference. boring. Two noted security professionals,

Re: sat-3 cut?

Randy Bush wrote: better lay coverage in al jazeera http://english.aljazeera.net/news/africa/2009/07/2009730775992910.html Thanks, Randy. Making this more on-topic, the map show many hops down. How can a single cut affect more than 1 hop, those on either side of the cut? Surely, for a major

Re: Ahoy, SLA boffins!

On 7/29/09, William Herrin wrote: > Perhaps you miss my point: what the ISP is offering to pay me as a > result of a failure to deliver adequate service is so much less than > my loss for the same as to render the payment meaningless. I'm gonna > terminate the contract for nonperformance and h

Re: Subnet Size for BGP peers.

Doug McIntyre wrote: On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 12:22:27AM -0400, Barton F Bruce wrote: So what is wrong with a /31? We use /30s but if you are short on IP space, look at using /31 rather than /30 links. Cuts your space usage in half. /31's are only defined for point-to-point links. Et

Re: Subnet Size for BGP peers.

On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 12:22:27AM -0400, Barton F Bruce wrote: > So what is wrong with a /31? We use /30s but if you are short on IP space, > look at using /31 rather than /30 links. Cuts your space usage in half. /31's are only defined for point-to-point links. Ethernet isn't considered PtP i

Re: Fwd: Dan Kaminsky

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 22:53:39 BST, "andrew.wallace" said: > The hackers criticized Mitnick and Kaminsky for using insecure > blogging and hosting services to publish their sites, that allowed the > hackers to gain easy access to their data. *yawn*. kiddies whack low-value sites, death of Internet

Re: sat-3 cut?

Jorge Amodio wrote: On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 7:14 AM, Warren Bailey wrote: In other news, Nigerian Scams at an all time low this morning/afternoon. Since some time ago I've been getting them through .cn sites and new variants like "I won the $500K Toyota Bingo" ?? ... can't believe that

Re: sat-3 cut?

On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 7:14 AM, Warren Bailey wrote: > In other news, Nigerian Scams at an all time low this morning/afternoon. Since some time ago I've been getting them through .cn sites and new variants like "I won the $500K Toyota Bingo" ?? ... can't believe that still some people fall for th

Re: sat-3 cut?

> In other news, Nigerian Scams at an all time low this morning/afternoon. Unfortunately a lot of the Nigerian scams run out of Dutch coffee shops/internet cafes and thus won't be affected. Steinar Haug, Nethelp consulting, sth...@nethelp.no

Re: sat-3 cut?

Article said 2 weeks. - Original Message - From: Rod Beck To: Randy Bush ; North American Network Operators Group ; AfNOG Sent: Thu Jul 30 04:14:15 2009 Subject: RE: sat-3 cut? I wonder how long it will take to get a ship there ... Regards, Roderick S. Beck Director of European Sal

RE: sat-3 cut?

I wonder how long it will take to get a ship there ... Regards, Roderick S. Beck Director of European Sales Hibernia Atlantic -Original Message- From: Randy Bush [mailto:ra...@psg.com] Sent: Thu 7/30/2009 1:10 PM To: North American Network Operators Group; AfNOG Subject: sat-3 cut?

RE: sat-3 cut?

In other news, Nigerian Scams at an all time low this morning/afternoon. ;) From: Randy Bush [mailto:ra...@psg.com] Sent: Thu 7/30/2009 4:10 AM To: North American Network Operators Group; AfNOG Subject: sat-3 cut? http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/81760

Re: sat-3 cut?

better lay coverage in al jazeera http://english.aljazeera.net/news/africa/2009/07/2009730775992910.html randy

sat-3 cut?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8176014.stm

Re: caches for peer-to-peer trafic

On Jul 30, 2009, at 4:16 PM, Murtaza wrote: I wanted to ask that if ISPs use any kind of caching system for peer- to-peer traffic? Oversi and ApplianSys are two companies which I know some SPs use. --- Roland Dobbins //

RE: Ahoy, SLA boffins!

Indeed, that's why some companies have contracts managers with experience of thieving gits who try to rip you off on SLAs. We indeed have been burned and so our contracts worth any money now have real good incentives for the vendors to come up with the goods and make what they sell us work. Eve

caches for peer-to-peer trafic

Hey guys, I wanted to ask that if ISPs use any kind of caching system for peer-to-peer traffic? It seems to be difficult thing to do, though there is some research going on (including me). However, I wanted to ask about the practices being used by ISPs and I suppose this is the best audience to as

Re: Subnet Size for BGP peers.

Shared link for BGP connectivity is a bad idea. Imagine that one of your customer leave proxy-arp on his interface, or imagine that he makes a Layer2 loop. Then all other customers will be affected. Usually a customer with BGP is on another level, so a gain of some IP's doesn't worth the troub

Re: Subnet Size for BGP peers.

On Thu, 30 Jul 2009, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: I don't remember if you have to do local-proxy-arp or not, but if you're running bgp you could always do next-hop-self to be sure it hops via the gateway. I did remember that this is identical to the behaviour described in RFC3069. -- Mikael A

Re: Open Source / Low Cost NMS for Server Hardware / Application Monitoring

On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 11:08 AM, Matthew Huff wrote: > I apologize for not starting a new thread before, I didn't realize that the > nanog mailing list created a thread-index rather than using the subject. > > Even though NANOG is primarily for network operators, I know that a number of > member

Re: Ahoy, SLA boffins!

Stephen Sprunk wrote: Read your contract closely and you'll find that, except for an explicit SLA clause (which will cost you extra), they make no guarantee that the circuit will work at all and you'll still owe them money. I am not a lawyer. However, over the years many lawyers have told me