Re: [Nanog-futures] Disclaimers again (was Re: Fiber Cut in Italy)

2009-11-16 Thread Rich Kulawiec
On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 10:22:16AM -0800, Shrdlu wrote: Top posting only because there's no point in making anyone who's already seen it look at again. Can we please remind people in a friendly way that a disclaimer of this length doesn't belong on a mailing list? I concur, but will add or

Re: [Nanog-futures] Disclaimers again (was Re: Fiber Cut in Italy)

2009-11-16 Thread Scott Weeks
--- s...@labrats.us wrote: Scott Weeks wrote: Shrdlu wrote: seen it look at again. Can we please remind people in a friendly way that a disclaimer of this length doesn't belong on a mailing list? --- s...@labrats.us wrote: Some people do not have a choice about disclaimers. If I was

Juniper M120 Alternatives

2009-11-16 Thread Gary Mackenzie
Having slightly lost track of what everybody is using for peering routers these days, what is the consensus about the best alternative to Juniper M series routers? I'm asking as the prices to upgrade to 10Gbit capable Juniper units (ie. an M120) seem prohibitively high so I'm looking to get a

Re: Juniper M120 Alternatives

2009-11-16 Thread Dale W. Carder
On Nov 16, 2009, at 9:54 AM, Gary Mackenzie wrote: Having slightly lost track of what everybody is using for peering routers these days, what is the consensus about the best alternative to Juniper M series routers? have you looked at the MX series? Dale

Re: Juniper M120 Alternatives

2009-11-16 Thread Chris Grundemann
On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 09:04, Dale W. Carder dwcar...@wisc.edu wrote: On Nov 16, 2009, at 9:54 AM, Gary Mackenzie wrote: Having slightly lost track of what everybody is using for peering routers these days, what is the consensus about the best alternative to Juniper M series routers? have

Re: Juniper M120 Alternatives

2009-11-16 Thread sthaug
Having slightly lost track of what everybody is using for peering routers these days, what is the consensus about the best alternative to Juniper M series routers? Juniper MX series? Works great for us. Much nicer 10G prices than M120. Steinar Haug, Nethelp consulting, sth...@nethelp.no

Re: Juniper M120 Alternatives

2009-11-16 Thread sthaug
I had looked briefly, does anybody here actually use them as peering routers? I've seen a few implementations using them in the MPLS P and PE router roles but never as border routers. We use MX series as peering routers. They work very well. Steinar Haug, AS 2116

Fiber Cut in Italy

2009-11-16 Thread Varaillon Jean Christophe
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Re: Fiber Cut in Italy

2009-11-16 Thread Hank Nussbacher
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Re: Juniper M120 Alternatives

2009-11-16 Thread Gary Mackenzie
Thanks everybody for the feedback. I'll likely be getting a few quotes for MX series boxes I think, we're in the happy position of having a completely e-net infrastructure so we're not limited by interface options. Thanks again for recommendation, good to know other people are using them

Bandwidth Monitoring per AS

2009-11-16 Thread Babak Pasdar
Could some of you share your recommendations on the best tools for monitoring per AS communications. I would like to track all source AS to Destination AS traffic utilization. Best Regards, Babak -- Babak Pasdar President CEO | Certified Ethical Hacker Bat Blue Corporation | Integrity .

Re: Bandwidth Monitoring per AS

2009-11-16 Thread Benjamin Billon
Depending on your needs: - https://neon1.net/as-stats/ (some patches here http://www.mail-archive.com/fr...@frnog.org/msg07257.html) - Arbor PeakflowSP - anything base on netflow Benjamin BILLON -- -- -- -- -- -- Splio eMarketing Services Babak Pasdar a écrit : Could some of you share your

RE: Bandwidth Monitoring per AS

2009-11-16 Thread Paul Stewart
Yes, we use Arbor here and *really* like it... powerful system - not cheap but worth every penny...;) Paul -Original Message- From: Stefan Fouant [mailto:sfou...@shortestpathfirst.net] Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 3:05 PM To: 'Babak Pasdar'; nanog@nanog.org Subject: RE: Bandwidth

RE: Bandwidth Monitoring per AS

2009-11-16 Thread Duman, Richard
Pretty Sure Arbor makes a good box. If you are looking for reporting and auto-tweaking of your traffic, you can look at the Internap Flow Control box as well. -Original Message- From: Babak Pasdar [mailto:bpas...@batblue.com] Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 2:37 PM To: nanog@nanog.org

RE: Fiber Cut in Italy

2009-11-16 Thread Varaillon Jean Christophe
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Re: AH is pretty useless and perhaps should be deprecated

2009-11-16 Thread Jack Kohn
I read the draft and its very interesting. There were some issues that i had never imagined could exist and it does a wonderful job of brining them forth. However, i still dont understand why AH would be preferred over ESP-NULL in case of OSPFv3. The draft speaks of issues with replaying the OSPF

Re: Juniper M120 Alternatives

2009-11-16 Thread Daniel Roesen
On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 06:04:46PM +0100, Tore Anderson wrote: We've been using the MX-es as border routers for some time now. It's a role that suits them very well in my opinion, no problems at all so far. Caveat: no MAC accounting on LAGs (IEEE speak) / Aggregated Ethernet (Juniper speak) /

Re: Bandwidth Monitoring per AS

2009-11-16 Thread William C
Junipers let you configure multiple IP addresses on the same network as subinterfaces of a given physical interface. Seen a lot of this at places like GigExchange, making it easy to use simple things like MRTG to graph exactly this. On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 3:24 PM, Duman, Richard

Re: AH is pretty useless and perhaps should be deprecated

2009-11-16 Thread James Hess
On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 6:23 PM, Jack Kohn kohn.j...@gmail.com wrote: However, i still dont understand why AH would be preferred over ESP-NULL in case of OSPFv3. The draft speaks of issues with replaying the OSPF packets. One could also do these things with AH. Am i missing something? Neither

Re: What DNS Is Not

2009-11-16 Thread Glen Turner
On 10/11/09 01:58, Jack Bates wrote: And different CDN's behave differently, depending on how they deliver content, support provider interconnects, etc. I'd hardly call many of them DNS lies, as they do resolve you to the appropriate IP, and if that IP disappears, try and quickly get you to

Re: AH is pretty useless and perhaps should be deprecated

2009-11-16 Thread Steven Bellovin
On Nov 16, 2009, at 9:07 PM, James Hess wrote: On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 6:23 PM, Jack Kohn kohn.j...@gmail.com wrote: However, i still dont understand why AH would be preferred over ESP-NULL in case of OSPFv3. The draft speaks of issues with replaying the OSPF packets. One could also do these

Re: What DNS Is Not

2009-11-16 Thread Brandon Galbraith
Maybe Google needs to incorporate some level of CDN support into their SPDY layer... Better than DNS I would think. -brandon On 11/16/09, Glen Turner g...@gdt.id.au wrote: On 10/11/09 01:58, Jack Bates wrote: And different CDN's behave differently, depending on how they deliver content,

Re: AH is pretty useless and perhaps should be deprecated

2009-11-16 Thread David Barak
+1. I know of a network whose owners are far more worried about a replay attack than about data being revealed to the outside world. They need to verify the provenance of data (i. e. Make sure that it hasn#39;t bee Natted), and AH is a simple way to do these precise things. -David Barak

RE: Bandwidth Monitoring per AS

2009-11-16 Thread Darryl Dunkin
A free Netflow option is CUFlow, you can graph via AS/network/protocol. http://www.columbia.edu/acis/networks/advanced/CUFlow It is a bit outdated, but gets the job done here, as these details are not mission critical for me. -Original Message- From: Stefan Fouant

Re: Juniper M120 Alternatives

2009-11-16 Thread Richard A Steenbergen
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 01:28:06AM +0100, Daniel Roesen wrote: PS: and of course JUNOS still undeterministically resetting unrelated BGP sessions for no good reason when modifying BGP configuration - so one is well-advised to do ANY configuration changes in the area of BGP within a maint

RE: Fiber Cut in Italy

2009-11-16 Thread Hank Nussbacher
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