Re: Juniper M120 Alternatives

2009-11-18 Thread Paul Cosgrove
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 5:32 PM, Richard A Steenbergen r...@e-gerbil.netwrote: On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 09:24:24AM -0600, Jack Bates wrote: Richard A Steenbergen wrote: They've definitely been improving it over the years though, so much that I almost never trigger a session reset on me

Re: Layer 2 vs. Layer 3 to TOR

2009-11-18 Thread Kinkie
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 9:40 PM, Bulger, Tim tim_bul...@polk.com wrote: If you use stackable switches, you can stack across cabinets (up to 3 with 1 meter Cisco 3750 Stackwise), and uplink on the ends.  It's a pretty solid layout if you plan your port needs properly based on NIC density and

Re: Layer 2 vs. Layer 3 to TOR

2009-11-18 Thread Eugeniu Patrascu
On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 4:04 PM, Kinkie gkin...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 9:40 PM, Bulger, Tim tim_bul...@polk.com wrote: If you use stackable switches, you can stack across cabinets (up to 3 with 1 meter Cisco 3750 Stackwise), and uplink on the ends.  It's a pretty solid

Policy News

2009-11-18 Thread Jerry Dixon
If you can make it they can tax it :/ Article in today's Wall Street Journal: WASHINGTON -- Federal regulators are considering whether the government should take greater control of the Internet and ask consumers to pay higher phone charges in order to provide all Americans with cheaper access to

Re: Policy News

2009-11-18 Thread Jared Mauch
How about just mandating that it's illegal to build anything but fiber/gpon for services. If something fails, it needs to be replaced with modern technology. I know here they replaced copper cable in the middle of the winter last year, it would have made more sense to just use the conduit they

Re: Policy News

2009-11-18 Thread Justin M. Streiner
On Wed, 18 Nov 2009, Jerry Dixon wrote: The Federal Communications Commission Wednesday will lay out the case for expanding broadband Internet service, outlining current obstacles to making it widely available. The agency is considering whether to force Internet providers to share their

Re: Policy News

2009-11-18 Thread Jerry Dixon
While we're at it why not charge taxes for having security bolted on tooI'm waiting for my Internet EZ-Pass to come in the mail to mount on my cable modem :-O I'm wondering where they come up with these schemes...I didn't see any mention of tax breaks to encourage the roll out. Just more

Re: Policy News

2009-11-18 Thread Bret Clark
Yeah...because when the economy is sucking wind why not raise fees to the consumer?!?! Want to get broadband out to people, then deal with duopolies that many of the regions in the country have...such as Verizon Comcast! They are the main barriers that cause grief in deployment, giving a chance

[mild flamage] Re: Policy News

2009-11-18 Thread Mike
Jared Mauch wrote: How about just mandating that it's illegal to build anything but fiber/gpon for services. I would expand on this and say we should make it illegal for any telecom carrier to refuse to put their assets into service wherever they may be, and going forward we should force

Re: Policy News

2009-11-18 Thread Steven Bellovin
Does anyone know an easy way to do kill thread in MacOS's Mail.App? It's getting increasingly hard to read the NANOG list on my Mac without such a capability. (Yes, the question is serious on its own, apart from any other meanings you may choose to read into it.)

Announcement: Critical Internet Infrastructure WG is now open to public participation

2009-11-18 Thread Gadi Evron
ISOTF Critical Internet Infrastructure WG is now open to public participation. The group holds top experts on internet technology, critical infrastructure, and internet governance, from around the globe. Together, we discuss definitions, problems, challenges and solutions in securing and

Re: Announcement: Critical Internet Infrastructure WG is now open to public participation

2009-11-18 Thread Simon Lockhart
On Wed Nov 18, 2009 at 07:08:31PM +0200, Gadi Evron wrote: ISOTF Critical Internet Infrastructure WG is now open to public participation. Sorry, who is ISOTF? I tried looking on the website, but the About ISOTF page is blank... http://www.isotf.org/?page_value=0 Simon

Re: Announcement: Critical Internet Infrastructure WG is now open to public participation

2009-11-18 Thread Gadi Evron
Simon Lockhart wrote: On Wed Nov 18, 2009 at 07:08:31PM +0200, Gadi Evron wrote: ISOTF Critical Internet Infrastructure WG is now open to public participation. Sorry, who is ISOTF? I tried looking on the website, but the About ISOTF page is blank...

Re: Announcement: Critical Internet Infrastructure WG is now open to public participation

2009-11-18 Thread Youssef Ghorbal
Off topic, but are you serious about the Admin Interface Link (http://www.isotf.org/?page_value=13223) or is it just a joke ? On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 6:29 PM, Gadi Evron g...@linuxbox.org wrote: Simon Lockhart wrote: On Wed Nov 18, 2009 at 07:08:31PM +0200, Gadi Evron

Re: Policy News

2009-11-18 Thread Chris Meidinger
Command+0 for the activity viewer - then click on the stop sign Sent from my iPhone. Please execute spelling errors. On 18.11.2009, at 17:43, Steven Bellovin s...@cs.columbia.edu wrote: Does anyone know an easy way to do kill thread in MacOS's Mail.App? It's getting increasingly hard to

Re: Policy News

2009-11-18 Thread Matthew Dodd
I think he meant being able to easily delete an entire thread of emails, like you might be able to if you were using Gmail. Sadly I don't know of any feature that does this in Mail.app, but you can always make a Smart Mailbox with the rule Any Recipient : Contains : na...@merit.edu and delete

Re: Policy News

2009-11-18 Thread Henry Linneweh
Well, I was reading this https://mozillalabs.com/raindrop  and it could have the potential to solve these problems for non gmail users and policy issues surrounding email itself. This is not intended to rain on anyones parade. -henry From: Matthew Dodd

Re: Policy News

2009-11-18 Thread Steven Bellovin
On Nov 18, 2009, at 2:13 PM, Matthew Dodd wrote: I think he meant being able to easily delete an entire thread of emails, like you might be able to if you were using Gmail. Yup, precisely. Sadly I don't know of any feature that does this in Mail.app, but you can always make a Smart

Re: Policy News

2009-11-18 Thread Charles Wyble
View - Organize by thread. Then just hit the little circle, which selects all messages. Then delete. On Nov 18, 2009, at 11:13 AM, Matthew Dodd wrote: I think he meant being able to easily delete an entire thread of emails, like you might be able to if you were using Gmail. Sadly I

Mail.app threading (was Re: Policy News)

2009-11-18 Thread Dobbins, Roland
On Nov 19, 2009, at 2:13 AM, Matthew Dodd wrote: Sadly I don't know of any feature that does this in Mail.app, b If you set the Mail.app GUI to use 'threaded view', it's easy to zap a whole thread. --- Roland Dobbins

Re: Policy News

2009-11-18 Thread Owen DeLong
There isn't a thread-kill per se, but, you can create a rule and add the threads you want to it fairly easily... MAIL-Preferences, then go to the Rules tab. Owen On Nov 18, 2009, at 11:13 AM, Matthew Dodd wrote: I think he meant being able to easily delete an entire thread of emails, like

Re: Juniper M120 Alternatives

2009-11-18 Thread Phil Pierotti
That's excellent news - any word on when Cisco will be back-porting these truly useful features from XR to that platform which so many of us are still running on (ie traditional IOS)? Phil P On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 1:04 AM, Paul Cosgrove paul.cosgrove.na...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Nov 17,

Re: Policy News

2009-11-18 Thread Chris Meidinger
On 18.11.2009, at 20:08, Jeff Saxe wrote: I don't think Steve meant a way to stop the CPU / process thread of retrieving email if it is hung talking to an email server, although thank you for that. I believe Steve meant I want to keep reading the NANOG mailing list in general, but this

Re: Juniper M120 Alternatives

2009-11-18 Thread sthaug
That's excellent news - any word on when Cisco will be back-porting these truly useful features from XR to that platform which so many of us are still running on (ie traditional IOS)? Obviously not speaking for Cisco here - but as a significant customer we have had no indication that this will

Re: Announcement: Critical Internet Infrastructure WG is now open to public participation

2009-11-18 Thread Gadi Evron
Youssef Ghorbal wrote: Off topic, but are you serious about the Admin Interface Link (http://www.isotf.org/?page_value=13223) or is it just a joke ? hehe, thanks for noticing. I'm sure Randy Vaughn gets excited every single time someone does. Reddit had fun with our admin interface a while

ATT BGP Setup

2009-11-18 Thread Shon Elliott
Hey everyone. I didn't really want to ask this out here, but wasn't sure who else I could ask, but does anyone here have BGP setup with ATT as well as to other providers? Could you give me a phone number for a rep? Our ATT reps are telling us they won't allow us to announce IP we get from ATT and

Re: Juniper M120 Alternatives

2009-11-18 Thread Tony Varriale
As a side note that many may be aware of, there are other Cisco products/code bases that have these nice features. tv - Original Message - From: Paul Cosgrove paul.cosgrove.na...@gmail.com To: Richard A Steenbergen r...@e-gerbil.net Cc: nanog@nanog.org Sent: Wednesday, November 18,

Password repository

2009-11-18 Thread Jay Nakamura
Quick question, does anyone have software/combination of tools they recommend on centrally store various passwords securely? Thanks.

Re: Announcement: Critical Internet Infrastructure WG is now open to public participation

2009-11-18 Thread Jorge Amodio
Still you didn't answer the question. What ISOTF stands for and who are we ? What papers the we published ? where ? Regards Jorge

Re: Policy News

2009-11-18 Thread Steve Meuse
Bret Clark expunged (bcl...@spectraaccess.com): Want to get broadband out to people, then deal with duopolies that many of the regions in the country have...such as Verizon Comcast WRT to Comcast ... There is nothing preventing *any* company from building a cable network in any existing MSO

Re: Password repository

2009-11-18 Thread Darren Bolding
Pwman On 11/18/09, Jay Nakamura zeusda...@gmail.com wrote: Quick question, does anyone have software/combination of tools they recommend on centrally store various passwords securely? Thanks. -- Sent from my mobile device -- Darren Bolding -- -- dar...@bolding.org

RE: Password repository

2009-11-18 Thread Darryl Dunkin
http://keepass.info Works great in a multi-user environment. -Original Message- From: Jay Nakamura [mailto:zeusda...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 19:57 To: NANOG Subject: Password repository Quick question, does anyone have software/combination of tools they recommend

Re: Password repository

2009-11-18 Thread Randy Bush
Quick question, does anyone have software/combination of tools they recommend on centrally store various passwords securely? old school ascii text file, gpg encrypted, only opened with emacs crypt++.el randy

Re: Password repository

2009-11-18 Thread Dan White
On 19/11/09 15:34 +0900, Randy Bush wrote: Quick question, does anyone have software/combination of tools they recommend on centrally store various passwords securely? old school ascii text file, gpg encrypted, only opened with emacs crypt++.el From the network administrator perspective, we

Re: Announcement: Critical Internet Infrastructure WG is now open to public participation

2009-11-18 Thread Gadi Evron
Jorge Amodio wrote: Still you didn't answer the question. What ISOTF stands for and who are we ? What papers the we published ? where ? This is off-topic, so while we give some thought as to what to put on the public web page in the future, here is a quick answer. Future responses, please

Re: Announcement: Critical Internet Infrastructure WG is now open to public participation

2009-11-18 Thread Gadi Evron
Gadi Evron wrote: I can share personal examples of past uses relating to NANOG, which are public: Oh, duh! The outages mailing list is part of the ISOTF, although clearly its own entity. Gadi.