Re: [Nanog-futures] Robert Carlson/The Siemon Company is out of the office.

2009-12-28 Thread Shrdlu
robert_carl...@siemon.com wrote: I will be out of the office starting 12/28/2009 and will not return until 01/04/2010. I will be traveling in Asia and will be checking my emails frequently, but please be aware of the time difference. The administrators do know that there is a knob in

Re: IPv6 Training

2009-12-28 Thread Mohacsi Janos
Hi, Have a look at www.6deploy.org. There is an online quick intro + all the training modules are available in PDF. And there are number of workshops organised around the world with hands-on trainings. Best Regards, Janos Mohacsi Head of HBONE+ project Network Engineer, Deputy Director of

Re: Revisiting the Aviation Safety vs. Networking discussion

2009-12-28 Thread David Hiers
In general, it seems that a field has to be aware that it can kill (or has killed) an embarrassing number of people before its members accept the need for controls such as processes and checklists. Here's a couple if incidents in which gruesome, public loss of life was necessary to for thought to

Re: Revisiting the Aviation Safety vs. Networking discussion

2009-12-28 Thread Bill Woodcock
The connection may not be immediately apparent, but I think Philip Greenspun's article critiquing Malcolm Gladwell's musings on cranial metrics etc. has some bearing: http://philip.greenspun.com/flying/foreign-airline-safety ...or is at least an interesting read. In observing network

Re: Revisiting the Aviation Safety vs. Networking discussion

2009-12-28 Thread Michael Sinatra
On 12/25/09 7:57 AM, Anton Kapela wrote: What I'm getting at is that after following this thread for a while, I'm not convinced any amount of process-borrowing is going to solve problems better, faster, or even avoid them in the first place. At best, our craft is 1/3rd as old (if that's somehow

Re: Revisiting the Aviation Safety vs. Networking discussion

2009-12-28 Thread Owen DeLong
On Dec 24, 2009, at 11:08 PM, Scott Howard wrote: On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 6:27 PM, George Bonser gbon...@seven.com wrote: So you can put a lot of process around changes in advance but there isn't quite as much to manage incidents that strike out of the clear blue. Too much process at that

Re: Revisiting the Aviation Safety vs. Networking discussion

2009-12-28 Thread Owen DeLong
On Dec 25, 2009, at 7:57 AM, Anton Kapela wrote: On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 5:44 AM, Vadim Antonov a...@kotovnik.com wrote: The ISP industry has a long way to go until it reaches the same level of sophistication in handling problems as aviation has. It seems that there's a logical fallacy

Re: Revisiting the Aviation Safety vs. Networking discussion

2009-12-28 Thread Robert Boyle
At 03:38 PM 12/28/2009, Owen DeLong wrote: There are lessons to be learned that are valuable. Both from things aviation has done well that we could emulate, and, from things aviation has done poorly that we should avoid. There are also additional lessons to be learned about the differences in

Robert Carlson/The Siemon Company is out of the office.

2009-12-28 Thread Robert_Carlson
I will be out of the office starting 12/28/2009 and will not return until 01/04/2010. I will be traveling in Asia and will be checking my emails frequently, but please be aware of the time difference.