Re: Alcatel-Lucent

2010-03-06 Thread Scott Weeks
--- jrh...@netconsonance.com wrote: So my experience so far has been good product, good company, needs a real attitude adjustment in the support department. - ditto that! scott

Re: IP4 Space

2010-03-06 Thread Owen DeLong
On Mar 7, 2010, at 5:32 AM, Shon Elliott wrote: > My first reply to this thread. I've been kind of tracking it. > > I would love to move to IPv6. However, the IPv6 addressing, I have to say, is > really tough to remember and understand for most people. Where is a four > number > dotted quad was

Re: IP4 Space - the lie

2010-03-06 Thread Owen DeLong
On Mar 7, 2010, at 2:49 AM, Saku Ytti wrote: > On (2010-03-06 10:07 -0800), Cameron Byrne wrote: > >> Folks are risking their business and their customers if they don't >> have an IPv6 plan, and when i say IPv6 plan i mean IPv6-only. This >> list has already examined how polluted the remaining

Re: IP4 Space - the lie

2010-03-06 Thread Owen DeLong
On Mar 6, 2010, at 9:06 PM, Mark Newton wrote: > > On 06/03/2010, at 1:10 AM, Dan White wrote: > >> On 05/03/10 12:39 +, bmann...@vacation.karoshi.com wrote: I *wholeheartedly* agree with Owen's assessment. Even spending time trying to calculate a rebuttal to his numbers is better

Re: Alcatel-Lucent

2010-03-06 Thread Jo Rhett
On Mar 4, 2010, at 2:07 PM, Chris Wallace wrote: > I am hoping to get some peoples opinions on Alcatel-Lucent routers. We are > looking at the 7750 SR line and the 7450 ESS line. We are currently a Cisco > shop but these would be deployed in a completely new network delivering > mostly MPLS ba

Re: IP4 Space

2010-03-06 Thread Mark Andrews
In message <4b92c9f7.4080...@unwiredbb.com>, Shon Elliott writes: > My first reply to this thread. I've been kind of tracking it. > > I would love to move to IPv6. However, the IPv6 addressing, I have to say, is > really tough to remember and understand for most people. Where is a four numb > er

Re: SDSL vs T1 (was Locations with no good Internet)

2010-03-06 Thread Michael Sokolov
Roy wrote: > You missed an option. Just change to another ISP. I know of at least > one AS701 address block still attached to a company that hasn't been > their customer for ten years or so. How is that possible? AFAIK no local politician has passed an IP address portability law yet. If my

Re: SDSL vs T1 (was Locations with no good Internet)

2010-03-06 Thread Roy
On 3/6/2010 12:23 PM, Michael Sokolov wrote: ... I wanted service from AS701 with a V.35 hand-off; both requirements (the ISP choice and the hand-off type) were/are for sentimental reasons. Speed was/is a lower-priority concern, i.e., I was/am willing to live with sub-T1 speeds if it allows me to

Comcast cust cannot reach Chris Boyd's IP x.x.x.x (was Problem from Comcast Network to The Planet)

2010-03-06 Thread Routing Bits
> > Message: 7 > Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 17:40:45 -0600 > From: Chris Boyd > Subject: Re: Problem from Comcast Network to The Planet > To: nanog@nanog.org > Message-ID: <5df52a7e-7288-433b-8b08-ea9530b29...@gizmopartners.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > > I don't know what's g

Re: IP4 Space

2010-03-06 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 3/6/10 1:32 PM, Shon Elliott wrote: > My first reply to this thread. I've been kind of tracking it. > > I would love to move to IPv6. However, the IPv6 addressing, I have to say, is > really tough to remember and understand for most people. Where is a four > number > dotted quad was easy to re

Re: IP4 Space - the lie

2010-03-06 Thread Mark Andrews
In message <20100306184958.ga17...@mx.ytti.net>, Saku Ytti writes: > On (2010-03-06 10:07 -0800), Cameron Byrne wrote: > > > Folks are risking their business and their customers if they don't > > have an IPv6 plan, and when i say IPv6 plan i mean IPv6-only. This > > list has already examined ho

Re: IP4 Space

2010-03-06 Thread Shon Elliott
My first reply to this thread. I've been kind of tracking it. I would love to move to IPv6. However, the IPv6 addressing, I have to say, is really tough to remember and understand for most people. Where is a four number dotted quad was easy to remember, an IPv6 address.. not so much. I wished they

SDSL vs T1 (was Locations with no good Internet)

2010-03-06 Thread Michael Sokolov
Patrick Giagnocavo wrote: > Isn't this really an issue (political) with tariffed T1 prices rather > than a technical problem? Yes, of course. It's even worse if you are tied to one particular ISP (VZB) by non-portable IP addresses. I wanted service from AS701 with a V.35 hand-off; both require

Re: IP4 Space - the lie

2010-03-06 Thread Saku Ytti
On (2010-03-06 10:07 -0800), Cameron Byrne wrote: > Folks are risking their business and their customers if they don't > have an IPv6 plan, and when i say IPv6 plan i mean IPv6-only. This > list has already examined how polluted the remaining free IPv4 blocks > are ... and as others have pointed

Re: IP4 Space - the lie

2010-03-06 Thread Cameron Byrne
On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 8:14 AM, Dan White wrote: > On 06/03/10 23:36 +1030, Mark Newton wrote: >> >> On 06/03/2010, at 1:10 AM, Dan White wrote: >> >>> On 05/03/10 12:39 +, bmann...@vacation.karoshi.com wrote: > > I *wholeheartedly* agree with Owen's assessment. Even spending time

Re: IP4 Space - the lie

2010-03-06 Thread Dan White
On 06/03/10 23:36 +1030, Mark Newton wrote: On 06/03/2010, at 1:10 AM, Dan White wrote: On 05/03/10 12:39 +, bmann...@vacation.karoshi.com wrote: I *wholeheartedly* agree with Owen's assessment. Even spending time trying to calculate a rebuttal to his numbers is better spent moving toward

Re: Locations with no good Internet

2010-03-06 Thread William Herrin
On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 7:28 AM, Joel Snyder wrote: > Patrick Giagnocavo wrote: > >>Isn't this really an issue (political) with tariffed T1 prices rather >>than a technical problem? > >>I was told that most T1s are provisioned over a DSLAM these days >>anyways, and that the key difference between

Re: IP4 Space - the lie

2010-03-06 Thread Mark Newton
On 06/03/2010, at 1:10 AM, Dan White wrote: > On 05/03/10 12:39 +, bmann...@vacation.karoshi.com wrote: >>> I *wholeheartedly* agree with Owen's assessment. Even spending time >>> trying to calculate a rebuttal to his numbers is better spent moving >>> toward dual-stack ;) >>> >>> Nice. >>>

Re: IP4 Space

2010-03-06 Thread Mark Newton
On 06/03/2010, at 1:06 AM, David Conrad wrote: > Mark, > > On Mar 4, 2010, at 11:46 PM, Mark Newton wrote: >> On 05/03/2010, at 2:50 PM, David Conrad wrote: >>> When the IPv4 free pool is exhausted, I have a sneaking suspicion you'll >>> quickly find that reclaiming pretty much any IPv4 space w

Re: Locations with no good Internet

2010-03-06 Thread Joel Snyder
Patrick Giagnocavo wrote: >Isn't this really an issue (political) with tariffed T1 prices rather >than a technical problem? >I was told that most T1s are provisioned over a DSLAM these days >anyways, and that the key difference between T1 and DSL was the SLA >(99.99% guarantee vs. "when we get

Re: IP4 Space - the lie

2010-03-06 Thread bmanning
On Sat, Mar 06, 2010 at 02:23:59AM +0800, Owen DeLong wrote: > > > > IVI is stateless, which means it requires 1 to 1 IPv4 to IPv6 mapping. > > NAT64 allows multiplexing. > > > I didn't fully understand it, but, Ma Yan presented IVI with multiplexing > in a stateless environment at APNIC 29. > >