Re: Broadband initiatives - impact to your network?

2010-06-28 Thread joel jaeggli
If the data you need to preload is sufficiently large (e.g. 10s or hundreds of terabytes then yeah it should come as no surprise that it might be more convenient to move by shifting around disks. 100TB of raw disk is around $8000. On 2010-06-28 21:50, JC Dill wrote: Jonathan Feldman wrote:

Re: Broadband initiatives - impact to your network?

2010-06-28 Thread JC Dill
Jonathan Feldman wrote: I'm one of the reporters who covers broadband and cloud computing for InformationWeek magazine (www.informationweek.com), and it's interesting to me that one of the issues with cloud adoption has to do with the limited pipe networks available in this country. For example

Re: Broadband initiatives - impact to your network?

2010-06-28 Thread Kevin Oberman
> Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 16:46:37 -0700 > From: "George Bonser" > > > -Original Message- > > From: Jonathan Feldman > > Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 4:14 PM > > To: Randy Bush > > Cc: nanog@nanog.org > > Subject: Re: Broadband initiatives - impact to your network? > > > > I've never clai

Re: Virbl: The First IPv6 enabled dnsbl?

2010-06-28 Thread William Pitcock
On Sun, 2010-01-17 at 19:16 +, Andy Davidson wrote: > On 16 Jan 2010, at 05:30, Tammy A. Wisdom wrote: > > > Mark Schouten wrote: > >> http://virbl.bit.nl/index.php#ipv6 > >> Comments on the listing method are appreciated. > > wow bind? thats gonna get slower and slower and slower. I hope y

Re: Country Level BGP Data

2010-06-28 Thread Steve Bertrand
On 2010.06.28 22:06, Bill Woodcock wrote: > > On Jun 28, 2010, at 5:58 PM, Paul Stewart wrote: >> Does anyone know of BGP statistical data based on country? If I wanted >> to know "top 5 service providers in country XYZ based on number of BGP >> peers" for example, is there something that can tel

Re: Country Level BGP Data

2010-06-28 Thread Bill Woodcock
On Jun 28, 2010, at 5:58 PM, Paul Stewart wrote: > Does anyone know of BGP statistical data based on country? If I wanted > to know "top 5 service providers in country XYZ based on number of BGP > peers" for example, is there something that can tell me this > information? I can manually run a li

Re: Broadband initiatives - impact to your network?

2010-06-28 Thread Chris Boyd
On Jun 28, 2010, at 7:42 PM, Eric Brunner-Williams wrote: > Is unidirectional transport (monitized video streams) the rural service most > absent and most valued, or are other characteristics of networks competitive > with, or superior to, that service model? If you drive around rural central

Country Level BGP Data

2010-06-28 Thread Paul Stewart
Does anyone know of BGP statistical data based on country? If I wanted to know "top 5 service providers in country XYZ based on number of BGP peers" for example, is there something that can tell me this information? I can manually run a list of AS numbers against tools like Renesys for example bu

Re: ATT BGP - Advertising my network on accident

2010-06-28 Thread Randy Bush
you may find http://archive.psg.com/jsac-deag.pdf of interest randy

Re: ATT BGP - Advertising my network on accident

2010-06-28 Thread Richard Barnes
So, as periodically happens to me, what started as an idle curiosity turned into an experiment. I took a look at a RIB snapshot from Friday, from one of the RouteViews collectors, to see how common it is that a block gets advertised by two different ASes, as a whole block by one, and as a set of s

Re: Broadband initiatives - impact to your network?

2010-06-28 Thread Eric Brunner-Williams
I wrote a first round BTOP application. No, the program doesn't quite promise to change, by orders of magnitude, the pipe that's available to most folks, and even if it did, that isn't a very strong promise. "Most folks" live in urban areas, adequately served by physics, if not the private,

Re: Broadband initiatives - impact to your network?

2010-06-28 Thread Randy Bush
is geoff's isp business 101 still the canonic reference for what this reporter needs for clue? doing it micro-incrementally on list is a major ton of . randy

Re: Broadband initiatives - impact to your network?

2010-06-28 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 6:26 PM, Jonathan Feldman wrote: > I don't agree with you, Christopher, that the broadband plan won't affect > corporate users.  I know that this list _mostly_ consists of operators, but (there are a fair number of consumer network operations folks on nanog as well...) T

RE: Broadband initiatives - impact to your network?

2010-06-28 Thread Brandon Kim
> That is when conversations bearing sounds like mpscp and uftp begin and > then someone says "aw, screw it, just send them a disk". LOL > Subject: RE: Broadband initiatives - impact to your network? > Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 16:46:37 -0700 > From: gbon...@seven.com > To: j...@feldman.org

RE: Broadband initiatives - impact to your network?

2010-06-28 Thread George Bonser
> -Original Message- > From: Jonathan Feldman > Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 4:14 PM > To: Randy Bush > Cc: nanog@nanog.org > Subject: Re: Broadband initiatives - impact to your network? > > I've never claimed to be particularly bright, but I do like to > challenge assumptions. It isn't

Re: Broadband initiatives - impact to your network?

2010-06-28 Thread Jonathan Feldman
I've never claimed to be particularly bright, but I do like to challenge assumptions. I meant "privately owned campuses spanning many miles." Is that a WAN? LAN? "MAN"? Seriously, should there really be a difference? If so, why must there be a difference? Let's not forget that ADSL is

Re: Broadband initiatives - impact to your network?

2010-06-28 Thread Randy Bush
> The question, in my mind, is whether it's reasonable to ask that > regional providers reach the same bar as privately owned campus > networks. you are comparing LAN to WAN, never a bright idea randy

Re: Broadband initiatives - impact to your network?

2010-06-28 Thread Stefano Gridelli
... as Andrew T teaches ... :D On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 5:59 PM, Nick Hilliard wrote: > On 27/06/2010 14:03, Jonathan Feldman wrote: > > For example, it's not feasible to do a massive data load through the > > networks that are currently available -- you need to FedEx a hard drive > > to Amazon.

Re: Broadband initiatives - impact to your network?

2010-06-28 Thread Jonathan Feldman
More than one person has pointed out that offline media will always be higher bandwidth than transmission lines (but nobody with such elegance and hilarity as Nick Hilliard's last post). Point taken. The question, in my mind, is whether it's reasonable to ask that regional providers reach

Re: Broadband initiatives - impact to your network?

2010-06-28 Thread Nick Hilliard
On 27/06/2010 14:03, Jonathan Feldman wrote: > For example, it's not feasible to do a massive data load through the > networks that are currently available -- you need to FedEx a hard drive > to Amazon. Holy cow, it's SneakerNet for the 21st Century! Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station

Re: Broadband initiatives - impact to your network?

2010-06-28 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 9:03 AM, Jonathan Feldman wrote: > I'm one of the reporters who covers broadband and cloud computing for > InformationWeek magazine (www.informationweek.com), and it's interesting to > me that one of the issues with cloud adoption has to do with the limited > pipe networks

Global Crossing POC

2010-06-28 Thread Steven Fischer
Can someone from Global Crossing contact me off-list regarding some routing anomolies we are seeing? Thanks. -- To him who is able to keep you from falling and to present you before his glorious presence without fault and with great joy

Re: BGP Tool for Simulation

2010-06-28 Thread Christopher Gatlin
These folks make a tester that loads up BGP very nicely. http://www.spirent.com/ http://www.spirent.com/Solutions-Directory/Smartbits.aspx Chris On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 8:52 AM, Tom Pipes wrote: > > > Hello Giuliano, > > > > Along with the recommendation of dynamips, I would suggest downloa

Penetration test vendors

2010-06-28 Thread George Bonser
I would like to thank everyone who provided their recommendations both on and off list. There was a lot of off-list response but not exactly what I had expected to see. I had expected to see a lot of different vendors but also expected to see a couple that several would recommend. That really did

Re: BGP Tool for Simulation

2010-06-28 Thread Tom Pipes
Hello Giuliano, Along with the recommendation of dynamips, I would suggest downloading gns3, which ties into dynamips.  You can run the same version of IOS that you are working with in production, and there are versions for Windows/*nix. http://www.gns3.net/ It acts more like an emu

Re: BGP Tool for Simulation

2010-06-28 Thread Luigi Iannone
I recently came across NetKit that seems to offer what you are looking for... http://wiki.netkit.org/index.php/Main_Page L. On Jun 28, 2010, at 12:32 , Lynchehaun, Patrick (Patrick) wrote: > > You could use load sbgp/mrtd script to load route dumps. There is also > bgpsimple http://code.goo

RE: Re: BGP Tool for Simulation

2010-06-28 Thread Lynchehaun, Patrick (Patrick)
You could use load sbgp/mrtd script to load route dumps. There is also bgpsimple http://code.google.com/p/bgpsimple/wiki/README This also brings up another question, anyone know of v6 rib tool on unix to load v6 route dumps. Tks, Patrick. Message: 8 Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 22:04:54 -0400 Fr