On 6/29/10 8:45 AM, Michael K. Smith - Adhost wrote:
I am not sure I understand why a comprehensive why we got here
statement is necessary beyond what the Steering Committee laid out in
the community meeting. If change is good then what would be gained from
dissecting the reasoning behind
snip
In any case, instead, both sides have left the community with a
transition where
1) the broader community was not brought along for the ride with
identified problems and proposed solutions, it was a 'done deal'
(this would have taken time)
2) the plan for this new NANOG
Bill,
In the interest of clarifying a simple misunderstanding, there was no
lunch involved. Kumar came to me at 3:00PM outside the plenary (inside
the meeting space), pointed at you and said that you told him to come
talk to me.
I've kept silent on the public lists about this, and would
Bill,
That's precisely the problem, that (per your own admission) you
invited a salesman to NANOG, and suggested that he approach some of
the Netflix folks with an unsolicited sales pitch, all without paying
a dime. As a seasoned attendee, you should realize that the standard
practice here is to
On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 3:00 PM, William Norton bill.nor...@gmail.com wrote:
As my original post indicated, I would like to talk about the futures of
NANOG.
So to steer things back on-topic and set the record straight, will you
or MediaMelon be compensating Merit and/or NewNog for Kumar's
William Norton wrote:
With respect - We may have to disagree on the facts as usual - my cell phone
log shows he called me from the hotel lobby at 12:05 - right around noon.
You were no doubt busy and perhaps mis-remembered the time.
Perfectly happy to agree (to disagree). If you'd like
William Norton bill.nor...@gmail.com writes:
This overreaction seems strikingly similar to the Avi NANOG issue of
a few years back - one of the things that led up to the NANOG
revolution in the first place. Avi was chewed out by the Merit NANOG
Chair for sitting in the NANOG hotel public
[ snip ]
The honorable thing for [snarf] to do would be to admit a mistake and
donate the cost of membership to Merit
[ clip ]
If someone entered the meeting space without paying, I agree. If all of this
transpired in the hallways, I suggest that this topic is neither appropriate
for this
On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 9:52 PM, Matthew Walster matt...@walster.org wrote:
On 23 June 2010 08:54, Colin Alston karna...@karnaugh.za.net wrote:
I dislike HP switches from a management point of view (and I think the
VLAN config is nonsense), but they work fine.
That's strange, I abhor the
That's strange, I abhor the Cisco way of doing VLANs and love the
HP/Procurve method.
What do you find so irritating?
It just feels ass backwards alot of the time, especially trunking.
That's more likely an RTFM problem, but the Cisco VLAN config has
always just seemed more logical.
-Original Message-
From: Colin Alston
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 11:27 PM
To: Matthew Walster
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Advice regarding Cisco/Juniper/HP
On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 9:52 PM, Matthew Walster matt...@walster.org
wrote:
It just feels ass backwards alot of
-Original Message-
From: sthaug
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 12:35 AM
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Advice regarding Cisco/Juniper/HP
The Cisco default of allowing all VLANs on a trunk is dangerous in a
service provider environment (not to mention VTP, DTP and other
evils).
On Jun 30, 2010, at 12:07 PM, George Bonser wrote:
if I want to
know which vlans a port is in, you look at the port config and there it
is. Other gear you need to look through each vlan configuration and
note which vlans the port appears in and hope you don't overlook one.
or become
On 30/06/2010 17:07, George Bonser wrote:
Some gear you add vlans to a port. Other gear you add ports to vlans.
Personally, I prefer the Cisco configuration syntax because if I want to
know which vlans a port is in, you look at the port config and there it
is. Other gear you need to look
On Wed, 30 Jun 2010 12:18:24 -0400, Greg Whynott greg.whyn...@oicr.on.ca
wrote:
I like cisco, but i think the HP way is more logical and less prone to
error. A previous poster gave an excelent example, i burnt myself not
adding the add to a trunk config on our cisco switches. i went
On Jun 30, 2010, at 4:50 PM, Ricky Beam wrote:
Personally, I prefer a bit of both.
same here. both have some things which I don't agree with. prime example
again is adding more than X vlans to an interface, why the add?
interface TenGigabitEthernet5/5
switchport trunk allowed vlan
On 6/30/2010 5:14 PM, Greg Whynott wrote:
On Jun 30, 2010, at 4:50 PM, Ricky Beam wrote:
No they don't. Which version of IOS are you running? Oh, right, that
switch doesn't run IOS, it runs CatOS? Wait a min, that's a 1900... it
uses a menu interface.
Actually, before they went
-Original Message-
From: Greg Whynott
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 9:18 AM
To: George Bonser
Cc: Colin Alston; nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Advice regarding Cisco/Juniper/HP
or become familiar with some basic commands, which is after all, our
job... on hp: show port vlan
Jeff Young wrote:
you'll need twice as much of Brand X and therefore, the deal isn't quite so
appealing. (By the way HP, Cisco and Juniper are pretty much
interchangeable in this discussion).
If they are interchangeable then why bother getting into a war at all?
It's very tiresome. :-|
--
Hi Everyone,
Currently we are planning to doing POC for some Metro Ethernet product. Any one
has testing parameter for Metro-E product ? It's ok even the testing parameter
is basic parameter.
Thanks in advance.
Reza
Curious if anyone can give me some real world thoughts
on the Cisco ASR1004 w/RP2 ESP5 versus a 7604 w/??
as a border router for web hosting environment.
I'm looking to replace a pair of aging routers of a
different make. Current config is four providers,
two send full BGP on gigE to both of
On 30 June 2010 21:50, Ricky Beam jfb...@gmail.com wrote:
Typos are just as simple (even more simple) on an HP. There's no add/remove
mode for vlan port membership. You specify the entire list every time.
conf t
vlan 1000
tag 1
tag 22
untag 44
exit
exit
write memory
exit
Result: vlan 1000 is
in closing, i have to say I love HP's alias command, I can rev my
config and save it to a tftp server by typing saveit while enabled.
Some IOS's allow you to do a wr net and get it there with a predefined
tftp server, but as we discovered, this isn't available on all devices..
What kind of budget do you have? I think it really depends on what you're going
after.
Both would work... Is there something specific you want to do? Honestly, your
current bandwidth utilization and need could be handled by an OpenBSD system.
I think I may be missing your exact question. Are
As randy said not too long ago, First they came for...
BURBANK, Calif. (AP) -- U.S. officials on Wednesday announced a major crackdown on movie piracy that involved disabling
nine websites that were offering downloads of pirated movies in some cases hours after they appeared in theaters.
On Jul 1, 2010, at 1:41 AM, Michael Painter wrote:
As randy said not too long ago, First they came for...
The felons?
Strangely, I am not moved to defend them.
According to the article, they didn't even take the physical computers running
the sites, meaning not even other users on that
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