Re: Randy in Nevis

2010-09-28 Thread Robert E. Seastrom
Owen DeLong o...@delong.com writes: On Sep 27, 2010, at 9:30 AM, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote: On 10-09-27 7:20 AM, Robert E. Seastrom wrote: Cannot establish SSL with SMTP server 67.202.37.63:465 does not sound like a 587 problem to me. netalyzr folks? comment? Sorry, I hit send too soon

Re: Software-based Border Router

2010-09-28 Thread Curtis Maurand
Vyatta has support contracts. If you want hardware, they've got that, too. On 9/27/2010 6:48 PM, Heath Jones wrote: Oh, support contract!!? Differences: - Hardware forwarding - Interface options - Port density - Redundancy - Power consumption - Service Provider stuff - MPLS TE? VPLS?

Re: OSPFv3 Authentication

2010-09-28 Thread Mohacsi Janos
On Tue, 28 Sep 2010, Venkatesh Sriram wrote: While I have used MD5 with OSPFv2, I never used authentication with OSPFv3 since IPsec is (a) not available on all platforms (or/and requires a special license) and (b) requires too much of coordination with other folks to bring it up. I know

Re: Mobile Operator Connectivity

2010-09-28 Thread Jared Geiger
I would suggest getting on the GRX network. As an enterprise you should be able to get IPX service from any number of providers. Belgacom, Syniverse, and Sybase365 all offer IP data service onto the GRX. Then you aren't limited to just the US carriers, you'll be able to reach most all carriers

Re: Online games stealing your bandwidth

2010-09-28 Thread Jack Bates
On 9/27/2010 7:35 PM, Warren Bailey wrote: Can someone name an ISP that encourages P2P traffic?? ;) A proper ISP doesn't encourage any type of traffic. We're indifferent. Of course, we'll be happy to mention the benefits and draw backs of using various protocols on the Internet. Demand

Re: Randy in Nevis

2010-09-28 Thread Leo Vegoda
On 27 Sep 2010, at 8:29, Owen DeLong wrote: [...] 465 is not an odd-ball port, it's the standard well-known port for STMPS. It is? That's not what's recorded at: http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers urd 465/tcpURL Rendesvous Directory for SSM igmpv3lite 465/udp

Re: Randy in Nevis

2010-09-28 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 9/28/10 7:49 AM, Leo Vegoda wrote: On 27 Sep 2010, at 8:29, Owen DeLong wrote: [...] 465 is not an odd-ball port, it's the standard well-known port for STMPS. It is? That's not what's recorded at: http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers urd 465/tcpURL

RE: Software-based Border Router

2010-09-28 Thread Nathan Eisenberg
Vyatta has hardware forwarding? Real hardware forwarding? Where? Best Regards, Nathan Eisenberg -Original Message- From: Curtis Maurand [mailto:cmaur...@xyonet.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 5:55 AM To: Heath Jones Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Software-based Border

Re: Software-based Border Router

2010-09-28 Thread Heath Jones
He must have meant the actual chassis/box/case... Vyatta has hardware forwarding?  Real hardware forwarding?  Where? -Original Message- From: Curtis Maurand [mailto:cmaur...@xyonet.com]   Vyatta has support contracts.  If you want hardware, they've got that, too.

RE: Software-based Border Router

2010-09-28 Thread Nathan Eisenberg
Doh. Serves me right for posting BEFORE having my coffee. Though, on reflection was anyone claiming Vyatta didn't have hardware to sell you? Best Regards, Nathan Eisenberg   -Original Message- From: Heath Jones [mailto:hj1...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 10:11

RE: Randy in Nevis

2010-09-28 Thread Nathan Eisenberg
465 is not an odd-ball port, it's the standard well-known port for STMPS. It is? That's not what's recorded at: http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers urd 465/tcpURL Rendesvous Directory for SSM igmpv3lite 465/udpIGMP over UDP for SSM Microsoft

Re: Online games stealing your bandwidth

2010-09-28 Thread Richard Barnes
BitTorrent have been active contributors to the IETF LEDBAT working group, which is looking at transport protocols that back off much more aggressively than TCP, with exactly the idea of making P2P have a lower impact on other things at the customer edge. http://tools.ietf.org/wg/ledbat/ On

RE: Online games stealing your bandwidth

2010-09-28 Thread Warren Bailey
Jack, Forgive me if I'm mistaken, but looking at your website - do you only offer dial up services? This could be the background for a statement like a proper ISP doesn't encourage any type of traffic. We have a couple of OC-192 running to Seattle, so certain types of traffic can make a good

Re: Randy in Nevis

2010-09-28 Thread John Peach
On Tue, 28 Sep 2010 17:39:33 + Nathan Eisenberg nat...@atlasnetworks.us wrote: 465 is not an odd-ball port, it's the standard well-known port for STMPS. It is? That's not what's recorded at: http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers urd 465/tcpURL

Re: Mobile Operator Connectivity

2010-09-28 Thread Leo Woltz
Hi Jared Is this different then the service at Equinix? Leo On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 9:57 AM, Jared Geiger ja...@compuwizz.net wrote: I would suggest getting on the GRX network. As an enterprise you should be able to get IPX service from any number of providers. Belgacom, Syniverse, and

Re: Online games stealing your bandwidth

2010-09-28 Thread Jack Bates
On 9/28/2010 1:00 PM, Warren Bailey wrote: Jack, Forgive me if I'm mistaken, but looking at your website - do you only offer dial up services? This could be the background for a statement like a proper ISP doesn't encourage any type of traffic. We have a couple of OC-192 running to Seattle,

Re: Mobile Operator Connectivity

2010-09-28 Thread Cameron Byrne
On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 6:57 AM, Jared Geiger ja...@compuwizz.net wrote: I would suggest getting on the GRX network. As an enterprise you should be able to get IPX service from any number of providers. Belgacom, Syniverse, and Sybase365 all offer IP data service onto the GRX. Then you aren't

RE: Online games stealing your bandwidth

2010-09-28 Thread Warren Bailey
Jack, Apologies, I did not realize that you guys were doing so much. Please don't take my last email as anything which was intended to question or insult you guys. Up here (Alaska) we have about 100,000 cable subscribers along with mixed Fiber/DSL/POTS access and nearly 50,000 cellular

AS11296 -- Hijacked?

2010-09-28 Thread Ronald F. Guilmette
Evidence strongly suggests that AS11296 together with all of the IPv4 space it is currently announcing routes for, i.e.: 63.247.160.0/19 199.241.64.0/19 206.226.64.0/24 206.226.65.0/24 206.226.66.0/24 206.226.67.0/24 206.226.68.0/24 206.226.69.0/24 206.226.70.0/24 206.226.71.0/24 206.226.72.0/24

Re: Online games stealing your bandwidth

2010-09-28 Thread manolo hernandez
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 9/28/10 3:01 PM, Warren Bailey wrote: Jack, Apologies, I did not realize that you guys were doing so much. Please don't take my last email as anything which was intended to question or insult you guys. Up here (Alaska) we have about 100,000

Re: AS11296 -- Hijacked?

2010-09-28 Thread Heath Jones
Out of curiosity, what led you to this conclusion? Evidence strongly suggests that AS11296 together with all of the IPv4 space it is currently announcing routes for, i.e.: have all been hijacked.  I will be reporting this formally to ARIN today, via their helpful fraud reporting web form.

Re: Online games stealing your bandwidth

2010-09-28 Thread Jason Iannone
In my experience users aren't willing to pay for dedicated bandwidth. On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 1:22 PM, manolo hernandez mherna...@comcast.net wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 9/28/10 3:01 PM, Warren Bailey wrote: Jack, Apologies, I did not realize that you guys were

RE: Online games stealing your bandwidth

2010-09-28 Thread Nathan Eisenberg
-Original Message- From: Jason Iannone [mailto:jason.iann...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 12:50 PM To: manolo hernandez Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Online games stealing your bandwidth In my experience users aren't willing to pay for dedicated bandwidth.

Re: AS11296 -- Hijacked?

2010-09-28 Thread Heath Jones
He blocked google mail? WTF? -- Forwarded message -- From: Mail Delivery Subsystem mailer-dae...@googlemail.com Date: 28 September 2010 20:49 Subject: Delivery Status Notification (Failure) To: hj1...@gmail.com Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently:    

Re: Randy in Nevis

2010-09-28 Thread Owen DeLong
Whether recorded with IANA or not, it certainly is what you will find if you google: smtp ssl port It's also what just about every MUA and MTA I've seen expects for that purpose. Owen On Sep 28, 2010, at 7:49 AM, Leo Vegoda wrote: On 27 Sep 2010, at 8:29, Owen DeLong wrote: [...] 465

What must one do to avoid Gmail's retarded non-spam filtering?

2010-09-28 Thread Erik L
I realize that this is somewhat OT, but I'm sure that others on the list encounter the same issues and that at least some folks might have useful comments. An increasingly large number of our customers are using Gmail or Google Apps and almost all of our OSS/BSS mail is getting spam filtered

Re: AS11296 -- Hijacked?

2010-09-28 Thread khatfield
Now that's some paranoia ;) -Original Message- From: Heath Jones hj1...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 4:05pm To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: AS11296 -- Hijacked? He blocked google mail? WTF? -- Forwarded message -- From: Mail Delivery Subsystem

Re: Online games stealing your bandwidth

2010-09-28 Thread Jack Bates
On 9/28/2010 2:22 PM, manolo hernandez wrote: What is keeping your company from buying more bandwidth? I find the excuse of over subscription to be a fail. If that's your companies business model then it should not be whining when people are using what you sell them. Provision bandwidth

Re: What must one do to avoid Gmail's retarded non-spam filtering?

2010-09-28 Thread William Herrin
On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 4:15 PM, Erik L erik_l...@caneris.com wrote: An increasingly large number of our customers are using Gmail or Google Apps and almost all of our OSS/BSS mail is getting spam filtered by Google. Among others, these e-mails include invoices, order confirmations, payment

Re: What must one do to avoid Gmail's retarded non-spam filtering?

2010-09-28 Thread William Pitcock
Hi, Have you checked the IronPort reputation scores for your mailserver IPs? Google uses this data as part of it's spam detection method. William On Tue, 2010-09-28 at 16:15 -0400, Erik L wrote: I realize that this is somewhat OT, but I'm sure that others on the list encounter the same

Re: LISP Works - Re: Facebook Issues/Outage in Southeast?

2010-09-28 Thread Job W. J. Snijders
Hi Cameron, On 24 sep 2010, at 02:56, Cameron Byrne wrote: On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 5:33 PM, Scott Weeks sur...@mauigateway.com wrote: On Sep 23, 2010, at 5:50 PM, Scott Weeks sur...@mauigateway.com wrote: --- ja...@puck.nether.net wrote: It's working over LISP:

RE: Online games stealing your bandwidth

2010-09-28 Thread Warren Bailey
Our excuse? We have purchased every available transponder on every spacecraft suitable for transmission out of Alaska. Granted, there are additional spacecraft out there with Alaska footprints. We however, being a service provider, are interested in space segment which gives us quality over

Re: What must one do to avoid Gmail's retarded non-spam filtering?

2010-09-28 Thread Erik L
Bill, Thanks for the response and excellent ideas. The OSS/BSS box is in our internal network with a RFC1918 address and it relays to outside via another box which sits in the DMZ and which is in SPF records for the domain that appears in From/Return-Path, etc. That DMZ machine does not

Re: What must one do to avoid Gmail's retarded non-spam filtering?

2010-09-28 Thread Erik L
Hi William, I do so for our entire IP space on a regular basis. The edge MTA I mentioned in the reply to Bill shows up as Neutral there. Thanks Erik - Original Message - From: William Pitcock neno...@systeminplace.net To: Erik L erik_l...@caneris.com Cc: nanog@nanog.org Sent: Tuesday,

Re: Online games stealing your bandwidth

2010-09-28 Thread Bill Stewart
On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 5:17 PM, Matthew Walster matt...@walster.org wrote: Plenty of people sell p2p caches but they all work using magic, smoke and mirrors. Somehow that seems appropriate for gaming networks; maybe add some swords or old Gandalf boxes. In general distributing gaming software

Re: LISP Works - Re: Facebook Issues/Outage in Southeast?

2010-09-28 Thread Cameron Byrne
On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Job W. J. Snijders j...@instituut.net wrote: Hi Cameron, On 24 sep 2010, at 02:56, Cameron Byrne wrote: On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 5:33 PM, Scott Weeks sur...@mauigateway.com wrote: On Sep 23, 2010, at 5:50 PM, Scott Weeks sur...@mauigateway.com wrote: ---

tagged vs. untagged VLAN

2010-09-28 Thread Jay Nakamura
In a SP environment, you need to hand off two VLANs to a customer, is there any advantage or disadvantage in doing the following two setups? - One untagged and one tagged VLAN - Two tagged VLAN and no untagged VLAN I can't think of anything other than some equipment may not let you have no

Re: Online games stealing your bandwidth

2010-09-28 Thread Franck Martin
As for online experience, any action game with players 200ms away from each others, is not really playable. By the time you aim, shoot, and the info register on the server and other user player PC, it has moved far away from the shot...

RE: tagged vs. untagged VLAN

2010-09-28 Thread Brandon Kim
I'd think that going with two tagged VLAN's is the better route. You will then be forcing the customer to adhere to the VLAN's that you have specified and reserved for them. It's also a security advantage because if you go with untagged, who knows if someone might be able to vlan hop/double

Requesting assistance from Telia netop (Fwd: Prefix Preference at Level3)

2010-09-28 Thread Jeffrey Lyon
We're trying to help a downstream customer with an issue and require assistance from a clued Telia netop. The customer is running a GRE tunnel from Los Angeles to Brazil for international transit and needs to avoid carrying local traffic over the tunnel. He is requesting a pref of 150 for Level3

Re: Online games stealing your bandwidth

2010-09-28 Thread Mark Smith
On Sat, 25 Sep 2010 16:56:21 -0400 (EDT) Jon Lewis jle...@lewis.org wrote: On Sat, 25 Sep 2010, Rodrick Brown wrote: If you follow the links in the article people are complaining that the LotR process has served 70gb in a week, others are complaining that the service is resulting in

RE: tagged vs. untagged VLAN

2010-09-28 Thread Daniel Dib
-Original Message- From: Jay Nakamura [mailto:zeusda...@gmail.com] Sent: den 29 september 2010 03:28 To: NANOG Subject: tagged vs. untagged VLAN In a SP environment, you need to hand off two VLANs to a customer, is there any advantage or disadvantage in doing the following two setups?