* Mikael Abrahamsson
On Sat, 26 Feb 2011, Joel Jaeggli wrote:
You can, the actual integration issue is that network mangler (on
ubuntu/fedora etal) and the osX airport connection manager will give up
on a subnet on which they can't obtain an ipv4 address in prefernce to
one where they
On Sun, 2011-02-27 at 07:56 +0100, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote:
I'm not that interested in v6 only, I'm after requiring DHCPv6 and
disallowing SLAAC, which clients can use IPv6 then?
List afaik:
[...]
Can't:
Windows XP
[...]
The Dibbler DHCPv6 client(non-standard software) works on XP (I
You're going to have to perform stateless autconfiguration in ipv6 and
provide an ipv4 nameserver at the very minimum for a long time
apple is gonna look very very st00pid on world ipv6 day. and a bunch of
folk are considering not turning things off after that day.
randy
You're going to have to perform stateless autconfiguration in ipv6
and provide an ipv4 nameserver at the very minimum for a long time
apple is gonna look very very st00pid on world ipv6 day. and a bunch
of folk are considering not turning things off after that day.
on second thought, guess
On Feb 27, 2011, at 1:56 AM, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote:
On Sat, 26 Feb 2011, Joel Jaeggli wrote:
On 2/26/11 9:27 PM, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote:
On Sat, 26 Feb 2011, Joel Jaeggli wrote:
On 2/26/11 9:05 PM, Randy Bush wrote:
With copies out to developers we now have confirmation that Apple
On Feb 27, 2011, at 6:27 AM, Randy Bush wrote:
You're going to have to perform stateless autconfiguration in ipv6 and
provide an ipv4 nameserver at the very minimum for a long time
apple is gonna look very very st00pid on world ipv6 day. and a bunch of
folk are considering not turning
SLAAC is fine (even great) for small environments. For a lot of
enterprise (or in our case, academic) networks you really want the
central control of what addresses hosts get.
Saw some mention of being unsure that it was possible to disable
SLAAC. Every OS I've tested so far respects the A flag
On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 09:46:17PM -0800, Joel Jaeggli wrote:
On 2/26/11 9:27 PM, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote:
On a more serious note, I can on my Ubuntu machine just apt-get install
wide-dhcpv6-client and I get dhcpv6, it'll properly put stuff in
resolv.conf for dns-over-ipv6 transport, even
Does anybody have anything neat to keep logs of what host gets what ipv6
address in an SLAAC environment?
This is often required for legislation compliance. DHCP does this well.
--
Leigh Porter
On 27 Feb 2011, at 14:04, Chuck Anderson c...@wpi.edu wrote:
On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 09:46:17PM
On 2/27/2011 12:05 AM, Randy Bush wrote:
With copies out to developers we now have confirmation that Apple
still hasn't included DHCPv6 in the next release of OS X.
what is it about ipv6 which attracts religious nuts?
randy
OSX beta (fanbois + journalists who get paid by word) + IPv6
On Sun, 27 Feb 2011, Leigh Porter wrote:
Does anybody have anything neat to keep logs of what host gets what ipv6
address in an SLAAC environment?
You'd have to correlate ND information in the router to some kind of
record of who has what MAC address at any given time. With SLAAC the host
On Feb 27, 2011, at 10:22 PM, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote:
Which is one of the reasons why some of us want DHCPv6 support in hosts.
Also for traceback when hunting down compromised/abusive hosts.
---
Roland Dobbins
Does anybody have anything neat to keep logs of what host gets what ipv6
address in an SLAAC environment?
You'd have to correlate ND information in the router to some kind of
record of who has what MAC address at any given time. With SLAAC the host
doesn't get an IPv6 address, it takes
On 27 Feb 2011, at 15:35, sth...@nethelp.no wrote:
Does anybody have anything neat to keep logs of what host gets what ipv6
address in an SLAAC environment?
You'd have to correlate ND information in the router to some kind of
record of who has what MAC address at any given time. With
On Sun, 27 Feb 2011, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote:
On Sun, 27 Feb 2011, Leigh Porter wrote:
Does anybody have anything neat to keep logs of what host gets what ipv6
address in an SLAAC environment?
You'd have to correlate ND information in the router to some kind of record
of who has what MAC
On 27 Feb 2011, at 19:07, Antonio Querubin wrote:
On Sun, 27 Feb 2011, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote:
On Sun, 27 Feb 2011, Leigh Porter wrote:
Does anybody have anything neat to keep logs of what host gets what ipv6
address in an SLAAC environment?
You'd have to correlate ND information
In fairness, said device can do the same sort of inspection of SLAAC
traffic. It just looks at neighbor discovery messages instead of DHCP
messages.
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-savi-fcfs
On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 2:17 PM, Leigh Porter
leigh.por...@ukbroadband.com wrote:
On 27 Feb
In message a73628f8-9d2a-42db-940d-b51d680ec...@ukbroadband.com, Leigh Porte
r writes:
Does anybody have anything neat to keep logs of what host gets what ipv6 add=
ress in an SLAAC environment?
This is often required for legislation compliance. DHCP does this well.
Does it really
On Mon Feb 28, 2011 at 07:22:08AM +1100, Mark Andrews wrote:
This is often required for legislation compliance. DHCP does this well.
Does it really matter what address a customer has as long as it comes from
the /64, /56 or /48 assigned to them?
You are assuming an access technology that
In fairness, said device can do the same sort of inspection of SLAAC
traffic. It just looks at neighbor discovery messages instead of DHCP
messages.
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-savi-fcfs
Any known (existing) or planned implementations of this?
Steinar Haug, Nethelp consulting,
In fairness, said device can do the same sort of inspection of SLAAC
traffic. It just looks at neighbor discovery messages instead of DHCP
messages.
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-savi-fcfs
Any known (existing) or planned implementations of this?
None that you can buy off the
On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 08:56:33AM -0500, Ray Soucy wrote:
Mac OS X 10.7 does support RDNSS (RFC 5001) so it is able to get DNS
server information in an IPv6-only environment. Of course nobody else
has implemented that yet, making Apple a special case host once
again (I don't even think Cisco
Hi, Dave,
On 06/02/2011 04:09 p.m., Dave CROCKER wrote:
Sorry, but I think the technical implications of a goal to survive
'hostile battlefield conditions' versus 'nuclear attack' are (small pun)
massively different. Hence I think the actual language used matters.
And the fact that the
Anyone have any thoughts on NTT as a service provider in the US ? Anyone
currently or previously using them please chime in.
thank you
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 6:10 PM, Diogo Montagner
diogo.montag...@gmail.com wrote:
Hello,
I am looking for industry standard parameters to base the SLA of one
network regarding to voice, video and data application.
One won't find many, but a common rule of thumb is most apps will be
'fine'
Yes I don't understand why we need DHCPv6, true RD did not have DNS information
to pass, but that is fixed, no?
- Original Message -
From: Matthew Palmer mpal...@hezmatt.org
To: nanog@nanog.org
Sent: Sunday, 27 February, 2011 4:06:29 PM
Subject: Re: Mac OS X 10.7, still no DHCPv6
On
powerzo...@gmail.com powerzo...@gmail.com writes:
Anyone have any thoughts on NTT as a service provider in the US ? Anyone
currently or previously using them please chime in.
can't do it. i have thoughts but i won't answer a freemail address. i'm
taking the time to say so because your post
For video, the SCTE 168 doc covers this.. (first hit on google)
Its fairly strict, but in depth.
On Feb 24, 2011 6:12 PM, Diogo Montagner diogo.montag...@gmail.com
wrote:
The topic should likely be re-written to DHCPv6 expected in OS X
10.7 with rainbows, stars, and prancing unicorns.
Apparently I was misinformed.
Several people with access to the preview had informed me that DHCPv6
was not in 10.7.
This seems to have upset at least one Apple engineer who
On Sun, 2011-02-27 at 16:25 -0500, Franck Martin wrote:
Yes I don't understand why we need DHCPv6, true RD did not have DNS
information to pass, but that is fixed, no?
Well - that draft very recently (i.e., only a few months, if that)
became standards track, so it'll be a while before it's
On Sun, 2011-02-27 at 14:47 +, Leigh Porter wrote:
Does anybody have anything neat to keep logs of what host gets what
ipv6 address in an SLAAC environment?
How do you define what host? If it's by MAC address (and you are not
using temporary, cryptographic or random addresses), then the MAC
On Mon, 28 Feb 2011, Karl Auer wrote:
Well - that draft very recently (i.e., only a few months, if that)
became standards track, so it'll be a while before it's built into
everything as a matter of course, but yes, it's fixed. RFC 6109.
On Feb 27, 2011, at 4:21 AM, Randy Bush wrote:
You're going to have to perform stateless autconfiguration in ipv6
and provide an ipv4 nameserver at the very minimum for a long time
apple is gonna look very very st00pid on world ipv6 day. and a bunch
of folk are considering not turning
From: Leigh Porter
Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2011 6:48 AM
To: Chuck Anderson
Cc: nanog@nanog.org; I2 IPv6 working group
Subject: Re: Mac OS X 10.7, still no DHCPv6
Does anybody have anything neat to keep logs of what host gets what
ipv6 address in an SLAAC environment?
This is
In message 20110227204511.gm27...@virtual.bogons.net, Simon Lockhart writes:
On Mon Feb 28, 2011 at 07:22:08AM +1100, Mark Andrews wrote:
This is often required for legislation compliance. DHCP does this well.
Does it really matter what address a customer has as long as it comes from
You can write script to poll routers for IPv6 neighbors, and store
those in a database. That will get you the IPv6 to MAC association.
Then poll L2 devices for MAC address tables for the MAC to port
association.
We've had such a system in place for a few years now to map addresses
to ports,
But the ND messages don't tell you anything other than the Mac
address about which host it actually is. In theory, at least, snooping
the DHCP messages might include a hostname or some other
useful identifier.
Owen
On Feb 27, 2011, at 11:53 AM, Richard Barnes wrote:
In fairness, said device
Look, can we stop arguing about whether someone needs DHCP or not,
whether they need SLAAC or not. Let's just get both solutions to a mature
and useful state where a network administrator can pick the one that works
best for their environment and move on.
Devices, routers, OSs, etc. should
On 02/27/2011 14:39, Mark Andrews wrote:
DHCP kills privacy addresses.
DHCP kills CGAs.
In some environments that's a feature. :)
Also, I think people forget the original motivation behind privacy
addresses. If you use RA/SLAAC on every different network that you use
IPv6 (say, with your
On Feb 27, 2011, at 2:39 PM, Mark Andrews wrote:
In message 20110227204511.gm27...@virtual.bogons.net, Simon Lockhart writes:
On Mon Feb 28, 2011 at 07:22:08AM +1100, Mark Andrews wrote:
This is often required for legislation compliance. DHCP does this well.
Does it really matter what
On 2/27/11 3:08 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
Look, can we stop arguing about whether someone needs DHCP or not,
whether they need SLAAC or not. Let's just get both solutions to a mature
and useful state where a network administrator can pick the one that works
best for their environment and move on.
On 2/27/11 3:17 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
On Feb 27, 2011, at 2:39 PM, Mark Andrews wrote:
In message 20110227204511.gm27...@virtual.bogons.net, Simon Lockhart
writes:
On Mon Feb 28, 2011 at 07:22:08AM +1100, Mark Andrews wrote:
This is often required for legislation compliance. DHCP does
In message ca58d5c5-3826-4da8-bcc6-5057ab912...@delong.com, Owen DeLong
writes:
On Feb 27, 2011, at 2:39 PM, Mark Andrews wrote:
=20
In message 20110227204511.gm27...@virtual.bogons.net, Simon Lockhart =
writes:
On Mon Feb 28, 2011 at 07:22:08AM +1100, Mark Andrews wrote:
This is
* Owen DeLong
On Feb 27, 2011, at 4:21 AM, Randy Bush wrote:
NOC: are you running a macintosh?
User: yes, how did you guess?
NOC: because it is broken. get vista.
While I'm as big a fan of IPv6 as anybody, I think in a comparison of
relative brokenness, Mac comes out quite favorably
Me:
NOC: are you running a macintosh?
User: yes, how did you guess?
NOC: because it is broken. get vista.
btw, i run macosx 10.6.6
Some Clueless Mac Fanchild:
While I'm as big a fan of IPv6 as anybody, I think in a comparison of
relative brokenness, Mac comes out quite favorably compared
(I'm just waiting for Apple's lawyers to try an get names out of me...)
But yes, it does appear that Apple is addressing the issue:
8
cat /etc/ip6addrctl.conf
# default policy table based on RFC 3484.
# usage: ip6addrctl install path_to_this_file
#
# $FreeBSD$
#
#Format:
#Prefix
Hi All,
Looking for a provider/contact of a dsl circuit, MetroE, or other 8mbps
alternative in the Fort Worth, TX area. Specifically this will be used as
internet access for a conference at the Fort Worth Convention center at 1201
Houston St Fort Worth, TX.
Sorry for the bandwidth, but we are
In a message written on Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 09:39:24AM +1100, Mark Andrews
wrote:
Have you *asked* your vendors for a alternate solution?
DHCP kills privacy addresses.
DHCP kills CGAs.
Not true.
Some would like to use DHCPv6 to hand a host things like DNS servers,
NTP servers, PXE boot
On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 4:20 PM, Anton Kapela tkap...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 6:10 PM, Diogo Montagner
diogo.montag...@gmail.com wrote:
Hello,
I am looking for industry standard parameters to base the SLA of one
network regarding to voice, video and data application.
One
On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 4:25 PM, Franck Martin fra...@genius.com wrote:
Yes I don't understand why we need DHCPv6, true RD did not have DNS
information to pass, but that is fixed, no?
where's my tftp-boot image location?
root nfs mount?
pick lots of
In message 20110228013421.ga32...@ussenterprise.ufp.org, Leo Bicknell writes:
In a message written on Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 09:39:24AM +1100, Mark Andrews=
wrote:
Have you *asked* your vendors for a alternate solution?
=20
DHCP kills privacy addresses.
DHCP kills CGAs.
Not true.
The documents are done, but, I would argue that neither provides a mature
set of features.
Yes, they've (sort of) resolved the DNS server issue for SLAAC, but, that's
recent and getting it into vendor support will be nice. The lack of NTP and
certain other options in SLAAC is still a
Do you have a smartphone? Blackberry? iPhone? Android?
Do you use it as a technical tool in your work, either for accessing
devices or testing connectivity -- or something else?
If so, what kind of phone, and what (if you don't mind letting on) are
your magic apps for this sort of work?
(My
On Feb 27, 2011, at 3:41 PM, Tore Anderson wrote:
* Owen DeLong
On Feb 27, 2011, at 4:21 AM, Randy Bush wrote:
NOC: are you running a macintosh?
User: yes, how did you guess?
NOC: because it is broken. get vista.
While I'm as big a fan of IPv6 as anybody, I think in a comparison of
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On 02/27/2011 06:00 PM, Jay Ashworth wrote:
Do you have a smartphone? Blackberry? iPhone? Android?
Yes. Had all 3. Android is my only tool now. It's superb. I've
used/supported and developed applications for all 3 platforms. Android
has been the
I use Android phones, mostly for remote administration. SSH using
ConnectBot. If you want a really durable phone, with the option of a little
bit of additional functionality, I would take a Motorola Droid 1, throw
CyanogenMod on it with a p3droid kernel. The phone itself can survive 3ft
falls @ 30
Related topic - ACM's CHIMIT (Computer Human Interfaces for the
Management of Information Technology) workshop 2010 was co-located
with the Usenix LISA conference this year
(http://www.chimit10.org/home.html); I was on a panel discussion on
mobile devices in system administration.
This topic and
Hi Chris,
I never got this answer.
Chris, Tim, Anton and Martin,
thank you for all inputs. Really appreciate them.
Thanks
./diogo -montagner
On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 9:42 AM, Christopher Morrow
morrowc.li...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 4:20 PM, Anton Kapela tkap...@gmail.com
On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 09:00:18PM -0500, Jay Ashworth wrote:
Do you have a smartphone? Blackberry? iPhone? Android?
Do you use it as a technical tool in your work, either for accessing
devices or testing connectivity -- or something else?
If so, what kind of phone, and what (if you
On 2/27/2011 9:00 PM, Jay Ashworth wrote:
Do you have a smartphone? Blackberry? iPhone? Android?
Do you use it as a technical tool in your work, either for accessing
devices or testing connectivity -- or something else?
I have a Droid2 with the WiFi Analyzer freebie app by Kevin Yuan.
On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 9:33 PM, Diogo Montagner
diogo.montag...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Chris,
I never got this answer.
I suspect you won't... at least not a reasonable/usrful answer.
On Feb 27, 2011, at 10:25 25AM, Dobbins, Roland wrote:
On Feb 27, 2011, at 10:22 PM, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote:
Which is one of the reasons why some of us want DHCPv6 support in hosts.
Also for traceback when hunting down compromised/abusive hosts.
You really need to look at switch
Jay Ashworth wrote:
Do you have a smartphone? Blackberry? iPhone? Android?
Do you use it as a technical tool in your work, either for accessing
devices or testing connectivity -- or something else?
If so, what kind of phone, and what (if you don't mind letting on) are
your magic apps for
On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 5:16 PM, Ray Soucy r...@maine.edu wrote:
This seems to have upset at least one Apple engineer who dropped the
NDA bomb on me; while he didn't confirm it was there, he did imply it,
and it did make me have people give a second look. (I tried to get him
to admit it but
On Sun, 27 Feb 2011, Steven Bellovin wrote:
I'm not saying there are no uses for DHCPv6, though I suspect that some
of the reasons proposed are more people wanting to do things the way
they always do, rather than making small changes and ending up with
equivalent effort. I am saying that
On Feb 28, 2011, at 10:47 AM, Steven Bellovin wrote:
You really need to look at switch logs for that, even with IPv4:
http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb/talks/arp-attack.pdf
And flow telemetry, and so forth, yes. With BCP deployment in terms of
anti-ARP-spoofing and DCHP snooping/source
Oh... did not know about the heavy baggage...
No, when I first played with IPv6 only network, I found out that RD was silly,
it gives an IP adddress but no DNS, and you have to rely on IPv4 to do that.
silly, so my understanding is then people saw the mistake, and added some DNS
resolution...
there are two replies here.
---
Christopher Morrow morrowc.li...@gmail.com writes:
..., what's the harm in dhcpv6? (different strokes and all that)
only the egos and reputations of those who said that stateless autoconf
was all ipv6 needed. (which is a small price to pay, according to me.)
I have a Droid2 with the WiFi Analyzer freebie app by Kevin Yuan.
i run it on a nexus one. way coolquite useful. i just can't excuse the
$600 cost of a wi-spy.
but it sure would be nice to have a general rf peek at the wifi ranges.
two weeks ago, in hk, we had rf interference that
I'm not saying there are no uses for DHCPv6, though I suspect
that some of the reasons proposed are more people wanting to do
things the way they always do, rather than making small changes
and ending up with equivalent effort.
add noc and doc costs of all changes, please
randy
On 2/27/11 10:09 PM, Randy Bush wrote:
I have a Droid2 with the WiFi Analyzer freebie app by Kevin Yuan.
i run it on a nexus one. way coolquite useful. i just can't excuse the
$600 cost of a wi-spy.
http://ubnt.com/airview
2.4ghz model is more Like $50 and works nearly as well as the
On 2/27/2011 4:00 PM, Jay Ashworth wrote:
Do you have a smartphone? Blackberry? iPhone? Android?
Android, a Nexus One.
Do you use it as a technical tool in your work, either for accessing
devices or testing connectivity -- or something else?
If so, what kind of phone, and what (if you
On Sun, 2011-02-27 at 12:30 -1000, Antonio Querubin wrote:
On Mon, 28 Feb 2011, Karl Auer wrote:
Well - that draft very recently (i.e., only a few months, if that)
became standards track, so it'll be a while before it's built into
everything as a matter of course, but yes, it's fixed. RFC
On Mon, 2011-02-28 at 09:39 +1100, Mark Andrews wrote:
DHCP kills privacy addresses.
DHCP kills CGAs.
For temporary addresses couldn't a client clamp the upper limits of its
received lifetimes to the desired lifetimes, then rebind instead of
renew, sending a DECLINE if it gets the same address
On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 2:00 AM, Jay Ashworth j...@baylink.com wrote:
Do you have a smartphone? Blackberry? iPhone? Android?
Try a Nokia N900 Maemo device,
Brief History it is a pet project of Nokia, it is 100% Linux (Debian Based),
you don't need to hack it or do anything or install any
Joel Jaeggli wrote:
On 2/27/11 10:09 PM, Randy Bush wrote:
I have a Droid2 with the WiFi Analyzer freebie app by Kevin Yuan.
i run it on a nexus one. way coolquite useful. i just can't excuse the
$600 cost of a wi-spy.
http://ubnt.com/airview
2.4ghz model is more Like $50 and works
On Mon, 2011-02-28 at 12:57 +1100, Mark Andrews wrote:
Except in the senarios being described they are also blocking the
other addresses. I would also think setting the M bit would
prelude the host from generating such addresses as they are unmanaged.
I think the M flag says you can get an
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