Re: Yahoo! Mail Issue

2011-04-12 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - > From: "Nathanael C. Cariaga" > Thanks anyway. I just find this issue intriguing since not all Yahoo > mail accounts are affected. In addition, incoming mails from other > domain doesn't seem to be affected. That is why I want to check if it > is a network issue :)

Re: Level 3 Agrees to Purchase Global Crossing

2011-04-12 Thread ML
On 4/11/2011 10:13 AM, William Allen Simpson wrote: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/print/2011-04-11/level-3-agrees-to-acquire-global-crossing-in-deal-valued-at-1-9-billion.html The deal will combine two unprofitable companies with total revenue of $6.26 billion as of last year, and cut annualize

Re: Top-posting (was: Barracuda Networks is at it again: Any Suggestions as to anAlternative? )

2011-04-12 Thread JC Dill
On 12/04/11 6:47 AM, William Herrin wrote: On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 2:49 AM, Tim Chown wrote: But I'm afraid times have changed; bottom-posted email is now an annoyance to most just as a slow-loading web page would be. Then you're doing it wrong. You're supposed to trim the original down to ju

Re: Top-posting (was: Barracuda Networks is at it again: Any Suggestions as to anAlternative? )

2011-04-12 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Tue, 12 Apr 2011 07:49:17 BST, Tim Chown said: > Well indeed, top-posting is just so much more efficient given the > volumes of email most of us probably see each day. http://marc.info/?l=linux-kernel&m=129565913825601&w=2 Go read that thread. 115 messages and counting. Read *all* of them.

Re: Top-posting (was: Barracuda Networks is at it again: Any Suggestions as to anAlternative? )

2011-04-12 Thread William Herrin
On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 2:49 AM, Tim Chown wrote: > Well indeed, top-posting is just so much more efficient given the >volumes of email most of us probably see each day. That's true... if you're adding a trivial thought to an already concise thread. If you're adding complex argument or informati

Re: Facebook Opens Up Its Hardware Secrets

2011-04-12 Thread Dobbins, Roland
On Apr 12, 2011, at 7:06 AM, Bruce Williams wrote: > In doing so, the company is breaking a long-established unwritten rule for > Web companies: don't share the secrets of your server-stuffed data warehouses (currently the topmost article in th

Re: Top-posting (was: Barracuda Networks is at it again: Any Suggestions as to anAlternative? )

2011-04-12 Thread gord
On Tue, 2011-04-12 at 07:58 -0400, D'Arcy J.M. Cain wrote: > On Tue, 12 Apr 2011 12:17:54 +0100 > gord wrote: > > I wasn't pedantic or impolite enough to suggest that it was off-topic > > here (which, technically, it is), simply saying that it was doing my > > Actually, I don't think it is off-to

Re: Top-posting (was: Barracuda Networks is at it again: Any Suggestions as to anAlternative? )

2011-04-12 Thread D'Arcy J.M. Cain
On Tue, 12 Apr 2011 12:17:54 +0100 gord wrote: > I wasn't pedantic or impolite enough to suggest that it was off-topic > here (which, technically, it is), simply saying that it was doing my Actually, I don't think it is off-topic. Meta-discussions about the list are considered on-topic for the l

Re: Barracuda Networks is at it again: Any Suggestions as to an Alternative?

2011-04-12 Thread Nick Hilliard
On 09/04/2011 10:37, Bryan Irvine wrote: As do some states with automotive registration. It's a quite normal practice. If you're in a monopoly or near-monopoly position, you can get away with screwing over your customer base. If you're in a competitive market, practices like support catch-up

Re: Top-posting (was: Barracuda Networks is at it again: Any Suggestions as to anAlternative? )

2011-04-12 Thread gord
On Tue, 2011-04-12 at 00:08 -0700, Michael DeMan wrote: Rather it is more of a matter of how long it takes us humans to process the incredible volume of information we are expected to process. > > I have no problem either 'top posting' or 'bottom posting' - but I agree it > would be good for th

Re: [Nanog] Re: LISP

2011-04-12 Thread Lori Jakab
On 04/12/2011 02:12 AM, Jason Frisvold wrote: > On Apr 11, 2011, at 11:02 AM, harbor235 wrote: > > http://www.lisp4.net/ > > This sounds a lot like LNP in the telco world. Is the goal here to > make IP's "portable" ? One of the goals, yes. > Or is this a viable way to access IPv6 from either a

Re: Top-posting (was: Barracuda Networks is at it again: Any Suggestions as to anAlternative? )

2011-04-12 Thread D'Arcy J.M. Cain
On Tue, 12 Apr 2011 07:49:17 +0100 Tim Chown wrote: >> Call me and old 'hard case' - but I prefer that when I get information >> via email, that if possible, the relevant information show up >> immediately. Right. And the most relevant information is the snippet being replied to in that email -

Re: Top-posting

2011-04-12 Thread Arnold Nipper
on 12.04.2011 08:45 Michael DeMan wrote: > Generally what I see is that younger people who grew up using email > when they were children desire to bottom post or post inline whereas > folks that originally utilized email primarily to communicate > technical information only generally prefer to top

Re: Yahoo! Mail Issue

2011-04-12 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
Tell you the truth, you shouldnt be dropping the connection right at the smtp banner with a 5xx - return it after RCPT TO. On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 2:52 PM, Nathanael C. Cariaga wrote: > Oh well... Just have to inform our users :( > > Thanks! =) > > > ps.  I'm just wondering why yahoo doesn't info

Re: Yahoo! Mail Issue

2011-04-12 Thread Nathanael C. Cariaga
Oh well... Just have to inform our users :( Thanks! =) ps. I'm just wondering why yahoo doesn't inform their users that the email that they sent was blocked because of their servers were listed in a blocklist (inspite that the server is able to return a correct reject code 550) On 4/12/

Re: Implementations/suggestions for Multihoming IPv6 for DSL sites

2011-04-12 Thread Luigi Iannone
On 11, Apr, 2011, at 23:53 , Jeff Wheeler wrote: > On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 2:03 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: >> I do tend to think that any technology sufficiently confusing that I cannot >> understand it well after reasonable effort is of questionable value >> for wide deployment. > > The secret is

Re: Implementations/suggestions for Multihoming IPv6 for DSL sites

2011-04-12 Thread Luigi Iannone
On 11, Apr, 2011, at 17:26 , Owen DeLong wrote: But can you explain better? Why should LISP require more IP space than normal IPv4 deployment? If you are a new site, you ask for an IP block. This is independent from whether or not you will use LISP. >>> Sur

Re: Barracuda Networks is at it again: Any Suggestions as to an Alternative?

2011-04-12 Thread Florian Weimer
* Justin Scott: >> No such luck: They want me to PAY FOR AN ENTIRE YEAR for >> which I did NOT receive service and then for the current (upcoming >> year). Sorry - I don't allow myself to be ripped off like that. > > Hi John, this is actually a pretty common practice for service > subscription mod

Re: Top-posting (was: Barracuda Networks is at it again: AnySuggestions as to anAlternative? )

2011-04-12 Thread Michael Painter
Tim Chown wrote: Well indeed, top-posting is just so much more efficient given the volumes of email most of us probably see each day. Top posting works in conversations you are having with someone, usually just one person, because you are aware of what's been said. If one comes into a conver

Re: Top-posting (was: Barracuda Networks is at it again: Any Suggestions as to anAlternative? )

2011-04-12 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
On Tue, 12 Apr 2011, Michael DeMan wrote: The ultimate question on email etiquette is naturally how to properly identify inline commentary. It's not a problem. Inline is done by trimming lines that are not needed and quoted text is prefaced by a > sign. So if the email you're reading doesn't

Re: Yahoo! Mail Issue

2011-04-12 Thread Matthew Petach
On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 12:12 AM, Nathanael C. Cariaga wrote: > Strangely though I noticed that the email accounts that seems to be affected > by our concern seems to be related to the Yahoo SG servers. > Oh. You don't seem to want to accept connections from the singapore servers at all: -b

Re: Top-posting (was: Barracuda Networks is at it again: Any Suggestions as to anAlternative? )

2011-04-12 Thread Michael DeMan
I really don't think anybody is concerned about how fast the email downloads anymore. Rather it is more of a matter of how long it takes us humans to process the incredible volume of information we are expected to process. I have no problem either 'top posting' or 'bottom posting' - but I agree

Re: Yahoo! Mail Issue

2011-04-12 Thread Nathanael C. Cariaga
Strangely though I noticed that the email accounts that seems to be affected by our concern seems to be related to the Yahoo SG servers. On 4/12/2011 3:04 PM, Christopher Balmain wrote: We had a lot of issues delivering mail to yahoo.com.sg about a year ago (just the .sg domain, plain .com

Re: Yahoo! Mail Issue

2011-04-12 Thread Christopher Balmain
We had a lot of issues delivering mail to yahoo.com.sg about a year ago (just the .sg domain, plain .com was fine). Could establish connection but it'd die halfway through transferring mail. A static route to drop the MTU (for their subnet only) to 1000 fixed the problem right up. Not sure if pmtu