Re: How do you put a TV station on the Mbone?

On (2011-04-29 18:34 -0400), david raistrick wrote: > 3) as an a midstream network provider I have almost no motivation to > support this. Sure, my network usage would be reduced - but I (more > or less simplified here, but) make my living on each bit of traffic > I carry - if I offered a way for

RE: How do you put a TV station on the Mbone?

> Subject: RE: How do you put a TV station on the Mbone? > Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 15:15:42 -0700 > From: George Bonser > > > > > > Imagine: multicast internet radio! Awesome! > > > > That would, indeed, be awesome; when everyone in my office was > > listening to the royal wedding, there would be

Re: How do you put a TV station on the Mbone?

On Apr 29, 2011, at 7:44 PM, Daniel Roesen wrote: > > IP multicast was the only way for us to see what happened, live. > Unicast failed miserably. > I'll say that today with some providers offering streaming to customers iPad and other types of devices, the problem isn't the capacity to the h

Re: How do you put a TV station on the Mbone?

On Apr 29, 2011, at 4:40 PM, Tim Durack wrote: > On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 3:11 PM, Joel Jaeggli wrote: >> On 4/29/11 10:12 AM, Jay Ashworth wrote: >> >> It turns out that as a content provider you can unicast video delivery >> without coordinating the admission of your content onto every edge >>

Re: How do you put a TV station on the Mbone? (was: Royal Wedding...)

On Apr 29, 2011, at 3:44 PM, John Levine wrote: >> Delivering multicast to end users is fundamentally not hard. The >> biggest issue seems to be with residential CPE (pretty much the same >> problem as IPv6, really). > > Well, more than that, since I don't really want my DSL pipe saturated > wit

Re: How do you put a TV station on the Mbone?

Daniel, On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 7:44 PM, Daniel Roesen wrote: > On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 05:51:25PM -0400, Jay Ashworth wrote: >> > Imagine: multicast internet radio! Awesome! >> >> That would, indeed, be awesome; when everyone in my office was listening to >> the royal wedding, there would be a *

Re: How do you put a TV station on the Mbone?

On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 05:51:25PM -0400, Jay Ashworth wrote: > > Imagine: multicast internet radio! Awesome! > > That would, indeed, be awesome; when everyone in my office was listening to > the royal wedding, there would be a *much* higher chance of them all being > in sync. That reminds me of

Re: How do you put a TV station on the Mbone?

On Fri, 29 Apr 2011, Jay Ashworth wrote: I'd expect it to be fairly common at colleges; possibly in companies, ok, colleges I can buy. Is it still this fragile in 2011? It was in 2009, anyway. And you haven't written the O'Reilly book yet... why? :-) Because it's not an experience I c

Re: How do you put a TV station on the Mbone?

Original Message - > From: "david raistrick" > 1) As a consumer network (enterprise, home) - that case is VERY rare. > 50 people consuming it at your house? Or at the office consuming the same > feed? (even at a 10k employee company, the rate of that is fairly low, > particularly on the

RE: How do you put a TV station on the Mbone?

On Fri, 29 Apr 2011, George Bonser wrote: Exactly. If more people/networks took advantage of multicast, it would greatly reduce the bandwidth requirements, particularly for live events. If there were 50 people listening to a popular radio show or watching a 1) As a consumer network (enterpri

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RE: How do you put a TV station on the Mbone?

> > > Imagine: multicast internet radio! Awesome! > > That would, indeed, be awesome; when everyone in my office was > listening to > the royal wedding, there would be a *much* higher chance of them all > being > in sync. > > Cheers, > -- jra Exactly. If more people/networks took advantage of

RE: How do you put a TV station on the Mbone?

> Great. So, as I asked earlier (as yet unanswered): > > I have in my hand an NTSC video cable and an XLR with audio. How do I > hook > that to the mbone? :-) > > Cheers, > -- jra Might want to ask the folks at Silicon Valley Linux Users group, they used to broadcast their meetings on the mb

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Re: How do you put a TV station on the Mbone?

Original Message - > From: "Tim Durack" > Imagine: multicast internet radio! Awesome! That would, indeed, be awesome; when everyone in my office was listening to the royal wedding, there would be a *much* higher chance of them all being in sync. Cheers, -- jra

Re: How do you put a TV station on the Mbone?

- Original Message - > From: "Simon Lockhart" > > I have in my hand an NTSC video cable and an XLR with audio. How do > > I hook that to the mbone? :-) > > Simple. > > Go get yourself an encoder - VBrick, Envivio, Tandberg, etc, etc - there's > plenty out there, take your pick. That'll t

Re: How do you put a TV station on the Mbone? (was: Royal Wedding...)

- Original Message - > From: "Octavio Alvarez" > So maybe I'm oversimplifying, but I fail to see a problem, only an > artificial one created for the sake of it. Other than the potencial > CPU load of the routing protocol, I even fail to see the commercial value > of not providing multicas

Re: How do you put a TV station on the Mbone? (was: Royal Wedding...)

On Fri, 29 Apr 2011 10:48:51 -0700, Jay Ashworth wrote: - Original Message - From: "Rubens Kuhl" And that's the snap answer, yes. But the *load*, while admittedly lessened over unicast, falls *mostly* to the carriers, who cannot anymore bill for it, either to end users, providers,

Re: How do you put a TV station on the Mbone?

On Fri Apr 29, 2011 at 05:40:59PM -0400, Jay Ashworth wrote: > Great. So, as I asked earlier (as yet unanswered): > > I have in my hand an NTSC video cable and an XLR with audio. How do I hook > that to the mbone? :-) Simple. Go get yourself an encoder - VBrick, Envivio, Tandberg, etc, etc -

Re: How do you put a TV station on the Mbone?

- Original Message - > From: "George Bonser" > Multicast is perfect for a live event. Unicast is best for "on demand" > viewing of something. > > An event such as today's wedding, a conference viewed in real-time, a > sports event, etc. is well-suited for multicast. Great. So, as I ask

RE: How do you put a TV station on the Mbone?

> Imagine: multicast internet radio! Awesome! > > I have a feeling streaming is going to stay unicast. > > Multicast is a great technical solution in search of a good business > problem. > > -- > Tim:> Multicast is perfect for a live event. Unicast is best for "on demand" viewing of something.

RE: How do you put a TV station on the Mbone? (was: Royal Wedding...)

> > Well, more than that, since I don't really want my DSL pipe saturated > with TV that I'm not watching, you need some way for the CPE to tell > the ISP "send me stream N" That is what igmp is for. Only send what I specifically request.

RE: How do you put a TV station on the Mbone? (was: Royal Wedding...)

> > You've conflated my two points. That would tell the *carriers* who's > watching > what, but they probably don't care. I was talking about *the > providers* > knowing (think DRM and "3096 viewers online"). > > Cheers, > -- jra It would be done the same way it is done currently with cable TV

Re: How do you put a TV station on the Mbone?

On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 3:11 PM, Joel Jaeggli wrote: > On 4/29/11 10:12 AM, Jay Ashworth wrote: > > It turns out that as a content provider you can unicast video delivery > without coordinating the admission of your content onto every edge > eyeball network on the planet. It's cheap enough that it

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Re: How do you put a TV station on the Mbone? (was: Royal Wedding...)

> From nanog-bounces+bonomi=mail.r-bonomi@nanog.org Fri Apr 29 12:24:21 > 2011 > Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 14:23:23 -0300 > Subject: Re: How do you put a TV station on the Mbone? (was: Royal Wedding...) > From: Rubens Kuhl > To: Nanog > > >> Isn't the real problem with global multicast: "How d

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Re: How do you put a TV station on the Mbone? (was: Royal Wedding...)

>Delivering multicast to end users is fundamentally not hard. The >biggest issue seems to be with residential CPE (pretty much the same >problem as IPv6, really). Well, more than that, since I don't really want my DSL pipe saturated with TV that I'm not watching, you need some way for the CPE to t

Re: How do you put a TV station on the Mbone? (was: Royal Wedding...)

- Original Message - > From: "George Bonser" > > Internet engineers are prone to try to solve this problem in favor of > > the viewer, and their networks -- with their networks winning in case > > of a push. > > Should be easy enough on your subscriber ports to use igmp to see who > has

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RE: How do you put a TV station on the Mbone? (was: Royal Wedding...)

> From: Jay Ashworth > Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 10:13 AM > To: NANOG > Subject: How do you put a TV station on the Mbone? (was: Royal > Wedding...) > > - Original Message - > > From: "Ryan Malayter" > > > On Apr 28, 11:14 pm, Jay Ashworth wrote: > > > > (cough)multicast(cough) >

Re: How do you put a TV station on the Mbone? (was: Royal Wedding...)

On 4/29/2011 2:47 PM, Dan White wrote: On 29/04/11 14:04 -0400, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Fri, 29 Apr 2011 13:48:51 EDT, Jay Ashworth said: What's the break-even point, the number of streams being sent at once where multicasting it starts taking less resources than N unicast streams?

Re: How do you put a TV station on the Mbone? (was: Royal Wedding...)

On Fri Apr 29, 2011 at 03:03:47PM -0400, Jay Ashworth wrote: > The real problem I see myself is that *the Mbone has to be pervasive* (or > mostly so) for this to be a worthwhile investment for providers. What is missing is an adaptive client (be it flash, or HTML5) which will transparently use mul

Re: How do you put a TV station on the Mbone?

On 4/29/11 10:12 AM, Jay Ashworth wrote: > - Original Message - >> From: "Ryan Malayter" > >> On Apr 28, 11:14 pm, Jay Ashworth wrote: (cough)multicast(cough) >>> >>> But... but... how do we count the viewers, then? >> >> Isn't the real problem with global multicast: "How do we ulti

Re: How do you put a TV station on the Mbone? (was: Royal Wedding...)

- Original Message - > From: "Simon Lockhart" > On Fri Apr 29, 2011 at 01:48:51PM -0400, Jay Ashworth wrote: > > Will they not complain about having their equipment utilization go up > > with no recompense -- for something that is only of benefit to > > commercial customers of some other

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Re: How do you put a TV station on the Mbone? (was: Royal Wedding...)

On Fri Apr 29, 2011 at 01:48:51PM -0400, Jay Ashworth wrote: > Will they not complain about having their equipment utilization go up > with no recompense -- for something that is only of benefit to commercial > customers of some other entity? Sorry, but are your eyeballs not already paying you for

Re: How do you put a TV station on the Mbone? (was: Royal Wedding...)

On 29/04/11 14:04 -0400, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Fri, 29 Apr 2011 13:48:51 EDT, Jay Ashworth said: Will they not complain about having their equipment utilization go up with no recompense -- for something that is only of benefit to commercial customers of some other entity? Like thei

Re: How do you put a TV station on the Mbone? (was: Royal Wedding...)

On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 2:48 PM, Jay Ashworth wrote: > - Original Message - >> From: "Rubens Kuhl" > >> >> Isn't the real problem with global multicast: "How do we ultimately >> >> bill the broadcaster for all that traffic amplification that >> >> happened >> >> *inside* every other AS?"

Re: How do you put a TV station on the Mbone? (was: Royal Wedding...)

On Fri, 29 Apr 2011 13:48:51 EDT, Jay Ashworth said: > Will they not complain about having their equipment utilization go up > with no recompense -- for something that is only of benefit to commercial > customers of some other entity? Like their load didn't go up with no recompense this morning.

Re: How do you put a TV station on the Mbone? (was: Royal Wedding...)

- Original Message - > From: "Rubens Kuhl" > >> Isn't the real problem with global multicast: "How do we ultimately > >> bill the broadcaster for all that traffic amplification that > >> happened > >> *inside* every other AS?" It seems like you'd have to do per-packet > >> accounting at e

Re: How do you put a TV station on the Mbone? (was: Royal Wedding...)

>> Isn't the real problem with global multicast: "How do we ultimately >> bill the broadcaster for all that traffic amplification that happened >> *inside* every other AS?" It seems like you'd have to do per-packet >> accounting at every router, and coordinate billing/reporting amongst >> all provi

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How do you put a TV station on the Mbone? (was: Royal Wedding...)

- Original Message - > From: "Ryan Malayter" > On Apr 28, 11:14 pm, Jay Ashworth wrote: > > > (cough)multicast(cough) > > > > But... but... how do we count the viewers, then? > > Isn't the real problem with global multicast: "How do we ultimately > bill the broadcaster for all that traf

RE: Wire-rate Packet Capture on 10gbE

Might also take a look at Gigamon, Anue Systems, and similar vendors. It's possible to use these switches to "slice and dice" traffic from a 10g input to a farm of 1g tools for packet capture, ids, waf, content filtering etc. Although there is a cost, it's usually cheaper than having to upgrad

Re: Wire-rate Packet Capture on 10gbE

On Fri, 29 Apr 2011, Michael Holstein wrote: Those two (thanks to Luca) can get you most of the way there, but to really hit the target you need dedicated kit like Endace (and a few others) make. They basically do what was represented in the CCC slides somebody else posted (FPGA with own logic),

Re: Wire-rate Packet Capture on 10gbE

> How is this being done? I've looked at looked at PF_RING and TNAPI... is > there anything better out there? > Those two (thanks to Luca) can get you most of the way there, but to really hit the target you need dedicated kit like Endace (and a few others) make. They basically do what was repr

Re: Wire-rate Packet Capture on 10gbE

On Apr 29, 2011, at 3:55 PM, Kyle Creyts wrote: > How is this being done? I've looked at looked at PF_RING and TNAPI... is > there anything better out there? http://events.ccc.de/congress/2006/Fahrplan/attachments/1225-23c3-slides-av.pdf That should give you some answers. :-) -- Attilla

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How is this being done? I've looked at looked at PF_RING and TNAPI... is there anything better out there? --Kyle

Re: open source DPI suggestions?

Snort (http://www.snort.org/) is also a nice IDS. They provide paid and free rules/signatures. -k On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 7:55 AM, Raymond Burkholder wrote: > > > Can anyone suggest any open source DPI (deep packet inspection) > > projects? > > > > > > I'll recommend Bro-IDS (http://www.bro-ids.

RE: open source DPI suggestions?

> > Can anyone suggest any open source DPI (deep packet inspection) > projects? > > > I'll recommend Bro-IDS (http://www.bro-ids.org/) as it's what I spend my > days working on. It's essentially a programming language for long term > network traffic monitoring which is focused on doing deep deco

Re: open source DPI suggestions?

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Re: OPERATIONAL: Royal Wedding expected to break traffic records

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open source DPI suggestions?

Can anyone suggest any open source DPI (deep packet inspection) projects? I am working on various telco projects in emerging markets, but can't quite justify the price for the bigger and more well known players. :/ (Until then, I'll have to rely on some of the more well known Linux and BSD traffi