Re: rpki vs. secure dns?

2012-04-29 Thread Randy Bush
> As Randy points out, this is not unique to SIDR-defined RPKI. It is > applicable to any top-down hierarchical authorization mechanism. > Security has (non-monetary) costs. as this derives from address space ownership's dependence on the current hierarchic administrative allocation model, to fix

Re: rpki vs. secure dns?

2012-04-29 Thread Nick Hilliard
On 28/04/2012 14:04, Alex Band wrote: > At RIPE 63, six months ago, the RIPE NCC membership got a chance to vote > on RPKI at the general meeting. The result was that the RIPE NCC has the > green light to continue offering the Resource Certification service, > including all BGP Origin Validation re

Re: rpki vs. secure dns?

2012-04-29 Thread Alex Band
On 29 Apr 2012, at 22:03, David Conrad wrote: > Alex, > > On Apr 29, 2012, at 8:16 AM, Alex Band wrote: >> All in all, for an RPKI-specific court order to be effective in taking a >> network offline, the RIR would have to tamper with the registry, inject >> false data and try to make sure it's

Re: rpki vs. secure dns?

2012-04-29 Thread Nick Hilliard
On 29/04/2012 16:16, Alex Band wrote: > All in all, for an RPKI-specific court order to be effective in taking a > network offline, the RIR would have to tamper with the registry, inject > false data and try to make sure it's not detected so nobody applies a > local override. You mean, like an FBI

Re: rpki vs. secure dns?

2012-04-29 Thread David Conrad
Alex, On Apr 29, 2012, at 8:16 AM, Alex Band wrote: > All in all, for an RPKI-specific court order to be effective in taking a > network offline, the RIR would have to tamper with the registry, inject false > data and try to make sure it's not detected so nobody applies a local > override. I s

Re: rpki vs. secure dns?

2012-04-29 Thread Matthias Waehlisch
On Sun, 29 Apr 2012, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: > > How does this interact with the presence of certificates for > > supernets, though? That is, suppose an ISP creates a legitimate ROA > > for 12.0.0.0/8, after ensuring that all of its customers have > > legitimate ROAs for the various subnet

Re: rpki vs. secure dns?

2012-04-29 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 11:28:58AM -0400, Jennifer Rexford wrote a message of 37 lines which said: > How does this interact with the presence of certificates for > supernets, though? That is, suppose an ISP creates a legitimate ROA > for 12.0.0.0/8, after ensuring that all of its customers ha

Re: rpki vs. secure dns?

2012-04-29 Thread Brandon Butterworth
> Thus, removing a certificate or ROA *does NOT* result in an RPKI INVALID > route announcement; the result is RPKI UNKNOWN. Which is fine until UNKNOWNs are no longer permitted, a logical next step. It may not apply globally, initially perhaps just a US anti terrorist measure requiring all networ

Re: Juniper MX960 with SCB-E vs Cisco ASR9k with RSP400

2012-04-29 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Sun, 29 Apr 2012 10:30:37 -0400, Abdelkader Chikh Daho said: > I wan to ask for your feedback about these two devices : Juniper MX960 > with SCB-E and Cisco AS9k with RSP400. They both work well in some situation, and totally fail in others. It would help if you gave more detail what problem

Re: rpki vs. secure dns?

2012-04-29 Thread Jennifer Rexford
>> the worry in the ripe region and elsewhere is what i call the 'virginia >> court attack', also called the 'dutch court attack'. some rights holder >> claims their movie is being hosted in your datacenter and they get the >> RIR to jerk the attestation to your ownership of the prefix or your RO

Re: rpki vs. secure dns?

2012-04-29 Thread Alex Band
On 28 Apr 2012, at 21:28, Phil Regnauld wrote: > Rubens Kuhl (rubensk) writes: >>> In case you feel a BGP announcement should not be "RPKI Invalid" but >>> something else, you do what's described on slide 15-17: >>> >>> https://ripe64.ripe.net/presentations/77-RIPE64-Plenery-RPKI.pdf >> >> The

Juniper MX960 with SCB-E vs Cisco ASR9k with RSP400

2012-04-29 Thread Abdelkader Chikh Daho
Hi everyone, I wan to ask for your feedback about these two devices : Juniper MX960 with SCB-E and Cisco AS9k with RSP400. Best regards, -- Abdelkader Chikh Daho Network Architect iWeb Technologies Email : achikhd...@iweb.com Web : www.iweb.com Tel : 514-286-4242 ext 2309