Re: rpki vs. secure dns?

2012-04-30 Thread Alex Band
On 29 Apr 2012, at 22:50, Nick Hilliard wrote: On 28/04/2012 14:04, Alex Band wrote: At RIPE 63, six months ago, the RIPE NCC membership got a chance to vote on RPKI at the general meeting. The result was that the RIPE NCC has the green light to continue offering the Resource Certification

Re: VPN over satellite

2012-04-30 Thread Gmail
Why not use a standard Cisco router or Asa for the routing and VPN and put a riverbed steelhead on both ends to do Tcp optimization and compression. On Apr 30, 2012, at 5:42 AM, Rens r...@autempspourmoi.be wrote: Dear, Could anybody recommend any hardware that can build a VPN that works

RE: VPN over satellite

2012-04-30 Thread Rens
IPSec does not run well over satellite since the TCP headers are also encrypted -Original Message- From: Gmail [mailto:jason.tre...@gmail.com] Sent: maandag 30 april 2012 13:30 To: Rens Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: VPN over satellite Why not use a standard Cisco router or Asa for

RE: VPN over satellite

2012-04-30 Thread Denys Fedoryshchenko
I did developed my own accelerator in 2006(globax) and have customers till now, but only for one-way ISP's in CIS region, and partially Europe (Germany). Sure worked with satellite internet all that years. But since i am not interested to advertise it here(working only for ISPs), i will mention

Re: rpki vs. secure dns?

2012-04-30 Thread Russ White
free dinner at nanog/van for anyone who can explain how the dnssec approach meets the defcon attack. hint: it is a path attack, not an origin attack, and the dns pidgeon has no hooks to path attack prevention. at ripe, joe gersh asked me for an example of a path attack and i told him of

Re: rpki vs. secure dns?

2012-04-30 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 09:41:51AM -0400, Russ White ru...@riw.us wrote a message of 60 lines which said: Neither a DNS based solution nor the RPKI will resolve path attacks, I want to be sure of the terminology: what is deployed presently is the bundle RPKI+ROA. As their name say, ROA can

Re: rpki vs. secure dns?

2012-04-30 Thread Randy Bush
I want to be sure of the terminology: what is deployed presently is the bundle RPKI+ROA. As their name say, ROA can only be used against origin attacks. But RPKI can be used for other things than RPKI+ROA, including BGP-sec (against path-based attacks), no? wfm

Re: rpki vs. secure dns?

2012-04-30 Thread Russ White
Neither a DNS based solution nor the RPKI will resolve path attacks, I want to be sure of the terminology: what is deployed presently is the bundle RPKI+ROA. As their name say, ROA can only be used against origin attacks. But RPKI can be used for other things than RPKI+ROA, including

Re: rpki vs. secure dns?

2012-04-30 Thread Brandon Butterworth
Reality check: I don't know that this is all that important, in the end. So long as you can use an IGP locally with a default route to reach a copy of the database, whether it be based on DNS, an RPKI, or anything else, then you can bootstrap your EGP routing. If everything goes down at the

Re: rpki vs. secure dns?

2012-04-30 Thread Phil Regnauld
Brandon Butterworth (brandon) writes: or you wait for the Elders of the Internet to visit with blessings http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDbyYGrswtg Didn't randy just chime in ?

Re: rpki vs. secure dns?

2012-04-30 Thread Danny McPherson
On Apr 28, 2012, at 6:34 AM, Alex Band wrote: All in all, RPKI has really good traction and with native router support in Cisco, Juniper and Quagga, this is only getting better. We should be more careful with statements such as this, they're conflating important things that add to the

Re: rpki vs. secure dns?

2012-04-30 Thread Dmitry Burkov
Danny, just one more comment. So named vendor's support can be the worst case when there are no practical ways to deploy and it is absolutely not clear - should we follow this hierarchical model - I think it is the key point as we pushed ourselves by inertia to this way of thinking. Imho -

Re: rpki vs. secure dns?

2012-04-30 Thread Randy Bush
We need more flexible, distributed architecture behind - no matter - which interests will be lobbied as we have got already. as i agree that there is a problem, i *very* eagerly await your proposal randy

Re: rpki vs. secure dns?

2012-04-30 Thread Jared Mauch
Personally I find the BitTorrent approach interesting. Jared Mauch On Apr 30, 2012, at 11:46 AM, Randy Bush ra...@psg.com wrote: We need more flexible, distributed architecture behind - no matter - which interests will be lobbied as we have got already. as i agree that there is a problem,

Re: rpki vs. secure dns?

2012-04-30 Thread Dmitry Burkov
Randy - you know that I'm enough stupid- means straightforward - may be the way is not only technical (recomendations design) - but also to combine with some policy changes as splitting allocations and assignments (may be changing who is responsible for what?) Or we follow the traditional

Colo recommendations for 2001 6th (Westin BLDG) Seattle

2012-04-30 Thread Eric Morin
Hi I am looking for a few RUs / ¼ rack (~20Amps of VAC) in a carrier neutral location with 24x365 smart hands service at 2001 6th Ave in Seattle. Any recommendations? Thanks in advance Eric RR Morin Internetwork Designer IP Network Engineering Carrier Relations XplorNet Communications

Re: JUNOS forwards IPv6 link-local packets

2012-04-30 Thread Justin M. Streiner
On Fri, 27 Apr 2012, Chris Adams wrote: I don't think that will work, because there's an automatic direct route for fe80::/64 to all interfaces with family inet6 configured. The only way I see around it is to apply a firewall filter to all IPv6 interfaces that blocks anything with a source in

RE: Colo recommendations for 2001 6th (Westin BLDG) Seattle

2012-04-30 Thread Randy Johnson
Does it absolutely need to be at the Westin ? If 'within downtown Seattle' is acceptable, you might try 'DFCOLO.COM' as they are over at 3101 Western Ave. -Original Message- From: Eric Morin [mailto:eric.mo...@corp.xplornet.com] Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 11:06 AM To: nanog@nanog.org

Re: rpki vs. secure dns?

2012-04-30 Thread Florian Weimer
* Alex Band: All in all, for an RPKI-specific court order to be effective in taking a network offline, the RIR would have to tamper with the registry, inject false data and try to make sure it's not detected so nobody applies a local override. Please keep in mind that this is what's

Re: Colo recommendations for 2001 6th (Westin BLDG) Seattle

2012-04-30 Thread Nikos Mouat
Hi Eric - The SIX has a list of co-lo vendors on our website: http://www.seattleix.net/join.htm#colo-circuit Good luck. Nikos Mouat On Mon, 30 Apr 2012, Eric Morin wrote: Hi I am looking for a few RUs / ¼ rack (~20Amps of VAC) in a carrier neutral location with 24x365 smart hands service

Re: JUNOS forwards IPv6 link-local packets

2012-04-30 Thread Phil Bedard
On 4/30/12 2:36 PM, Justin M. Streiner strei...@cluebyfour.org wrote: On Fri, 27 Apr 2012, Chris Adams wrote: I don't think that will work, because there's an automatic direct route for fe80::/64 to all interfaces with family inet6 configured. The only way I see around it is to apply a

Re: rpki vs. secure dns?

2012-04-30 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 11:51 AM, Jared Mauch ja...@puck.nether.net wrote: Personally I find the BitTorrent approach interesting. this conflates the 2 (at least!) topics here: 1) distribution of repository data 2) heirarchy of authority for the data which is in the repository -chris On

Re: VPN over satellite

2012-04-30 Thread PC
Most satellite modems offer built in TCP acceleration options heavily optimized for VSAT use and an encryption option (proprietary to their hardware only) which is probably your best bet. You can then use traditional encryption to your satellite provider (or take Ethernet handoff at the satellite

Re: VPN over satellite

2012-04-30 Thread Mike Hale
You can then use traditional encryption to your satellite provider (or take Ethernet handoff at the satellite earth station with co-located equipment, if appropriate). True...except for most audit/regulatory purposes, having the traffic unencrypted in any part of the chain is unacceptable. Just