On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 12:38:23PM +1000, Mark Andrews wrote:
Putting it another way, the ISP doesn't want to be fooled even if
it is fooling its customers.
don't lie to us, but we lie to our customers.
and you don't see a problem with this?
/bill
It is more important that a domain registrar not refuse to register a
domain, or erroneously declare a valid listing invalid.
The purpose of using a registrar is to establish DNS delegation, not
to validate your site's redundancy meets the absolute best possible
practices for fault
In message 20120529055919.ga23...@vacation.karoshi.com., bmann...@vacation.ka
roshi.com writes:
On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 12:38:23PM +1000, Mark Andrews wrote:
Putting it another way, the ISP doesn't want to be fooled even if
it is fooling its customers.
don't lie to us, but we
On May 28, 2012, at 22:59, bmann...@vacation.karoshi.com wrote:
On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 12:38:23PM +1000, Mark Andrews wrote:
Putting it another way, the ISP doesn't want to be fooled even if
it is fooling its customers.
don't lie to us, but we lie to our customers.
and you
Randy Bush ra...@psg.com wrote:
When your browers supports DANE
and a billion home nats support dnssec :(
I expect there will be a depressingly large amount of DNS-over-TLS in the
future in order to bypass broken ALGs.
Tony.
--
f.anthony.n.finch d...@dotat.at http://dotat.at/
Malin:
I expect there will be a depressingly large amount of DNS-over-TLS in
the future in order to bypass broken ALGs.
there may be a lot of foo-over-https to bypass broken nats in the core,
and the edge, and whatever restrictive middleboxes political disfunction
creates.
because of st00pidity, we
On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 10:01:59PM +,
paul vixie vi...@isc.org wrote
a message of 37 lines which said:
i can tell more than that. rover is a system that only works at all
when everything everywhere is working well, and when changes always
come in perfect time-order,
Exactly like
On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 08:59:28PM +,
Paul Vixie vi...@isc.org wrote
a message of 43 lines which said:
ROVER expects that we will query for policy at the instant of
need. that's nuts for a lot of reasons, one of which is its
potentially and unmanageably circular dependency on the
On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 06:56:29PM -0500,
Brett Frankenberger rbf+na...@panix.com wrote
a message of 15 lines which said:
How does your employer know if two nameservers (two IP addresses) are
on the same subnet?
The current heuristic for IPv4 is belongs in the same /28 (and /64
for IPv6).
On 5/29/2012 10:27 AM, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote:
On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 10:01:59PM +,
paul vixie vi...@isc.org wrote
a message of 37 lines which said:
i can tell more than that. rover is a system that only works at all
when everything everywhere is working well, and when changes
Hi
I am search a operator for a Layer 2 Link (if possible) between:
Changzhou (china)
Equinix Singapore
anyone know operators for this ?
thanks
olivier
Does anyone have any intel on bandwidth trading in the usa?
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On 29/05/12 7:52 PM, nanog-requ...@nanog.org
Mr Karl:
We use number of these service to improve delivery of our content to end users.
Which service or services do you seek info for?
Sincerely,
Nabil
Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 22:21:39 +1000
Subject: Re: NANOG Digest, Vol 52, Issue 67
From: c...@mobsource.com
To: nanog@nanog.org
Does
Jimmy,
On May 28, 2012, at 9:58 PM, Jimmy Hess wrote:
The purpose of using a registrar is to establish DNS delegation, not
to validate your site's redundancy meets the absolute best possible
practices for fault tolerance.
Terminology nit: the purpose of a registrar is to allow folks the
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-57436489-93/comcast-ditches-250gb-data-cap-tests-tiered-pricing/
The cap is [recently] suspended for most subscribers and if it comes
back it looks like it may be under a different policy going forward
Correct - the 250GB limit is suspended while alternatives are
I generate http test stream with DSCP code point 5 to match the Xbox service,
however Comcast is rewriting the packets as CS 1, even when serving out a
server at Soft Layer (paid peer). This is why I ask for name of service
Microsoft is using, it is not the regular paid peering.
Yeah, that
On May 29, 2012, at 4:02 AM, paul vixie wrote:
i can tell more than that. rover is a system that only works at all
when everything everywhere is working well, and when changes always
come in perfect time-order,
Exactly like DNSSEC.
no. dnssec for a response only needs that response's
As a followup on this question, I have had good success with Wowza Media
Server. Thanks to those who pointed it out to me.
If someone is interested in testing the IPv6 stream, drop me a note over
private.
Warm regards
Carlos
On 5/15/12 2:55 PM, Carlos Martinez-Cagnazzo wrote:
Hello,
Can
Mail formatting issue with my mail client again… Note that the 1st paragraph
was quoted from Nabil...
I generate http test stream with DSCP code point 5 to match the Xbox service,
however Comcast is rewriting the packets as CS 1, even when serving out a
server at Soft Layer (paid peer). This
On 29 May 2012, at 16:21, David Conrad wrote:
On May 29, 2012, at 4:02 AM, paul vixie wrote:
i can tell more than that. rover is a system that only works at all
when everything everywhere is working well, and when changes always
come in perfect time-order,
Exactly like DNSSEC.
no. dnssec
Hi Nabil,
DSCP tagging on inter-domain internet traffic is not expected to work (I
wouldn't expect this to work at any ISP, quite frankly, absent some very
special arrangements).
From reading the article in the link below, it sounds like they are using
DSCP to ensure when a user has maxed their
i can tell more than that. rover is a system that only works at all
when everything everywhere is working well, and when changes always
come in perfect time-order,
Exactly like DNSSEC.
no. dnssec for a response only needs that response's delegation and
signing path to work, not everything
On 29 May 2012, at 18:33, Richard Barnes wrote:
i can tell more than that. rover is a system that only works at all
when everything everywhere is working well, and when changes always
come in perfect time-order,
Exactly like DNSSEC.
no. dnssec for a response only needs that response's
So in RPKI, partial data – so you failed to fetch one of the ROAs in the
set – can make something 'invalid' or 'unknown' that should actually be
'valid'.
http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6483#page-3
I wouldn't read that as saying that the RPKI requires you to have full
data in order to
On May 29, 2012, at 8:23 AM, Alex Band wrote:
RPKI needs the full data set to determine if a BGP prefix has the status
'valid', 'invalid' or 'unknown'. It can't work with partial data.
I think I now understand concerns about scaling... :-)
Regards,
-drc
Once upon a time, Nabil Sharma nabilsha...@hotmail.com said:
I generate http test stream with DSCP code point 5 to match the Xbox service,
however Comcast is rewriting the packets as CS 1, even when serving out a
server at Soft Layer (paid peer). This is why I ask for name of service
*NANOG Colleagues:
Just a year ago, NewNOG, prepared for the launch of NANOG 52 under a new
leadership. The journey has been filled with challenges, but also with
GREAT success. We delivered on our promise to ‘not break anything’ and
preserve your user experience during the transition. Mission
On 28/05/12 22:19, Seth Mattinen wrote:
On 5/28/12 6:31 AM, Evgeniy Aikashev wrote:
We are AS21219 - PJSC Datagroup and owner of 5.1.0.0/19 block. Our customers
have no access to some part of Internet if they use these IPs.
Could you please update your bogon filters to permit this range.
Do
On Thu, May 24, 2012 7:36 pm, Jay Ashworth wrote:
- Original Message -
From: Justin M. Streiner strei...@cluebyfour.org
Aside from all of the business and legal sticking points that others
have
mentioned, there are also the technical aspects of capturing, storing,
transporting,
On Tue, 29 May 2012 20:45:51 +0100, Paul Cupis said:
On 28/05/12 22:19, Seth Mattinen wrote:
On 5/28/12 6:31 AM, Evgeniy Aikashev wrote:
We are AS21219 - PJSC Datagroup and owner of 5.1.0.0/19 block. Our
customers have no access to some part of Internet if they use these IPs.
Could you
I did a tracert from my school's network on TWC:
~
Tracing route to 5-1-1-1-dynamic.retail.datagroup.ua [5.1.1.1]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
5 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms esc033.escriptconnect.com [64.132.85.33]
6 4 ms 4 ms 4 ms
No problems tracing from AS19945.
Robex.com shows 5.1.0.0/19 belonging to AS21219
Ran traceroute, mtr, and windows pathping.
No problems with any of them.
# traceroute -A 5.1.1.1
traceroute to 5.1.1.1 (5.1.1.1), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets
1st 3 hops snipped
4 cr83.dlstx.ip.att.net
Thanks Nabil, Bandwidth Trading is not a new concept, but to make it
work effectively it will have to address a couple of prerequisites to be
successful. A network of buyers and sellers has to be created, contracted
and connected for instant pricing, inventory management and delivery of a
defined
If you ever want a run down on how Enron did it (or didn't do it), there are
several on this list who can tell you all about it.
-Original Message-
From: carl gough [mobsource] [mailto:c...@mobsource.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 4:50 PM
To: Nabil Sharma; nanog@nanog.org
Subject:
IIRC, the concept was first introduced by MCI and Enron to great fanfare
and subsequent graphic demonstrations of the destructive power of
unregulated markets controlled by people of limited moral fortitude.
Owen
On May 29, 2012, at 2:50 PM, carl gough [mobsource] wrote:
Thanks Nabil,
Doesn't Arbinet have some sort of trading system like this currently?
Carlos Alcantar
Race Communications / Race Team Member
101 Haskins Way, So. San Francisco, CA. 94080
Phone: +1 415 376 3314 / car...@race.com / http://www.race.com
-Original Message-
From: Lorell Hathcock
On May 29, 2012, at 3:10 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
IIRC, the concept was first introduced by MCI and Enron to great fanfare
and subsequent graphic demonstrations of the destructive power of
unregulated markets controlled by people of limited moral fortitude.
Not ALL of us were of limited moral
I am a little surprised no one has referenced Wired's recent article
about Libya's Internet Surveillance systems:
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/05/ff_libya/all/1
and that of ATT doing the same, alledgedly illegally, for the USG.
randy
Mr. Jason:
Thank u for the reply, very informative URL. Understood on the cap, but how
long it will remain not enforced is a good guess!
What I am trying to is have Comcast mark our IP ranges with QoS, so downloads
or congestion inside the household will not degrade performance.
You can see at
Adams:
I would like to understand how this works. I see the Comcast VOD servers for
San Francisco are in Seattle, higher round trip and route mile than our servers
at Soft Layer in San Jose. We are costing Comcast less money than their own
content.
Signed,
Nabil
Date: Tue, 29 May 2012
PC:
I also wish to know how much the Comcast Paid Peering service costs, and if
this is an option that can get us the delivery we require.
Could you please help me to understand why it is protected by NDA? Is there
anyone on the NANOG list who can share this pricing with me in private?
IPv4 is not going away as quickly as many would like. Most realistic
observations show IPv4 will still be the numbering scheme most widely
deployed and utilized for the next decade. This due mainly to peers
and providers whom have not deployed IPv6 and ISP end-users, which
continue to use,
On Tue, 29 May 2012 15:10:04 -0700
Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote:
IIRC, the concept was first introduced by MCI and Enron to great
fanfare and subsequent graphic demonstrations of the destructive
power of unregulated markets controlled by people of limited moral
fortitude.
I thought
Paul:
Where can we read details about the services ISC provided to the FBI, and how
they were compensated?
As Mahatma Gandhi says: it is difficult, but not impossible, to conduct
strictly honest business.
Sincerely,
Nabil
Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 20:52:07 +0900
From: ra...@psg.com
To:
If you are going to top post ***trim*** the post especially if
it is a response to a digest. The whole digest isn't needed.
[600 lines trimmed]
--
Mark Andrews, ISC
1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia
PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742 INTERNET:
Dear Unnamed person at The SpaceMarket,
This list has an Acceptable Use Policy at:
http://www.nanog.org/mailinglist/
Acceptable Use Policy
1. Discussion will focus on Internet operational and technical issues
as described in the charter of NANOG.
Likely transfers made in this way may not be recordable with the applicable
RIRs and may violate the RIR policies.
If you care about your addresses being properly registered in whois to avoid
unnecessary hassles around being able to route them, I highly recommend making
sure that you are
Of all the people you pick to spam you picked NANOG, maybe you should hit up
bugtraq next
On May 29, 2012, at 7:16 PM, Timothy McGinnis mc...@isc.org wrote:
Dear Unnamed person at The SpaceMarket,
This list has an Acceptable Use Policy at:
http://www.nanog.org/mailinglist/
Acceptable
On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 6:22 PM, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote:
Likely transfers made in this way may not be recordable with the applicable
RIRs and may violate the RIR policies.
If you care about your addresses being properly registered in whois to avoid
unnecessary hassles around
as part of daily maint, where i read midnight logs from 20+ systems etc,
i scan my spambox to make sure nothing falls through, and indeed catch
one or two daily. but the spam is a source of great amusement. the
internet is an wondrous place.
the number of messages offering help for the serious
On 05/29/12 21:19, Randy Bush wrote:
as part of daily maint, where i read midnight logs from 20+ systems etc,
i scan my spambox to make sure nothing falls through, and indeed catch
one or two daily. but the spam is a source of great amusement. the
internet is an wondrous place.
the number of
On 2012-05-29 5:37 PM, Richard Barnes wrote:
I agree with the person higher up the thread that ROVER seems like
just another distribution mechanism for what is essentially RPKI data.
noting, that up-thread person also said i havn't studied this in detail
so i'm probably wrong.
But does that
http://www.cafepress.com/nxdomain/8592477
randy, who will be wearing his at nanog
Nice Tuesday-Evening humor!
...an escrow-agent..and 150k addresses..note Currently(as of this writing)
No doubt the next post will have 250k free.
./Randy
To: nanog@nanog.org, nanog-annou...@nanog.org
Date: Tuesday, May 29, 2012, 5:43 PM
IPv4 is not going away as quickly as
many would like.
http://www.cafepress.com/nxdomain/8592477
randy, who will be wearing his at nanog
oops! should acknowledge that it was a gracious gift from geoff, to
whom i had introduced http://sugru.com/ the hacker's playdough
randy
These three are the same spammer (who is hitting my traps as well,
heavily and regularly)
He gets so many subnets from one provider after the other, and dumps
them when they're blocked (within a day or two), that I wonder whether
v4 is actually running out at all ..
At least multiple /28s is a
John, I think we have cross wires, without meaning to advertise or tout
for business, the bandx solution and the enron solutions totally missed
the mark in terms of timing.
Every revolution, wether electricity, steam, automotive or telecoms, goes
through a boom, then a bust, then a golden age
Alex,
First, I would note that there is a talk specifically on this subject coming up
at NANOG 55, which is scheduled for Tuesday afternoon from 2:30 - 3 PM. (Note,
I'm not giving the talk, just pointing out that your questions may best be
followed up face-to-face then). Anyway, see below.
On May 29, 2012, at 6:38 PM, Cameron Byrne wrote:
On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 6:22 PM, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote:
Likely transfers made in this way may not be recordable with the applicable
RIRs and may violate the RIR policies.
If you care about your addresses being properly
On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 5:16 PM, Timothy McGinnis mc...@isc.org wrote:
Dear Unnamed person at The SpaceMarket,
He appears to not be unnamed. Gmail links the user to the Google+
profile https://plus.google.com/116655492141266828122 under the name Dan
Cooper, and with a photo of another Dan
Paul,
On May 29, 2012, at 8:44 PM, Paul Vixie wrote:
On 2012-05-29 5:37 PM, Richard Barnes wrote:
I agree with the person higher up the thread that ROVER seems like
just another distribution mechanism for what is essentially RPKI data.
noting, that up-thread person also said i havn't
ah, the force is strong in this one.
On 2012-05-30 3:52 AM, Shane Amante wrote:
On May 29, 2012, at 9:23 AM, Alex Band wrote:
...
As far as I know, ROVER doesn't work like that. You can make a positive
statement about a Prefix+AS combination, but that doesn't mark the
origination from
Just e-mail them if you want to know. I'm sure it wouldn't take much
actual effort to obtain a price from sales.
Go here, and there's instructions.
*www.comcast.com/peering/*
**
Having said that, bandwidth from your host (softlayer) has direct comcast
private peering (back in 2008, anyways --
On Wednesday, May 30, 2012 02:34:06 AM Nabil Sharma wrote:
Mr. Jason:
Thank u for the reply, very informative URL. Understood
on the cap, but how long it will remain not enforced is
a good guess! What I am trying to is have Comcast mark
our IP ranges with QoS, so downloads or congestion
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