Re: ZOMG: IPv6 a plot to stymie FBI !!!11!ONE!

On Jun 18, 2012, at 11:23 AM, Mark Andrews wrote: > APNIC has B2B over email. It should be possible to totally automate updating > APNIC. That's a much better option than the Web form. --- Roland Dobbins //

Re: ZOMG: IPv6 a plot to stymie FBI !!!11!ONE!

In message , "Dobbins, Roland" writes: > > On Jun 18, 2012, at 10:50 AM, Jonathon Exley wrote: > > > APNIC has a web based whois form that is pretty easy to drive.=20 > > Yes, but data-entry tools which are viewed as secondary to the task at hand= > - i.e., address allocations - and which req

Re: ZOMG: IPv6 a plot to stymie FBI !!!11!ONE!

On Jun 18, 2012, at 10:50 AM, Jonathon Exley wrote: > APNIC has a web based whois form that is pretty easy to drive. Yes, but data-entry tools which are viewed as secondary to the task at hand - i.e., address allocations - and which require interactive human participation to perform duplicat

RE: ZOMG: IPv6 a plot to stymie FBI !!!11!ONE!

APNIC has a web based whois form that is pretty easy to drive. Jonathon > -Original Message- > From: Steven Noble [mailto:sno...@sonn.com] > Sent: Saturday, 16 June 2012 12:05 p.m. > To: goe...@anime.net > Cc: nanog@nanog.org > Subject: Re: ZOMG: IPv6 a plot to stymie FBI !!!11!ONE! >

Re: ZOMG: IPv6 a plot to stymie FBI !!!11!ONE!

>>> This is a law enforcement problem and I feel it should be properly >>> solved by a legal solution, >> Worst case solution. Guaranteed. > So again, please propose a better one and save us, because you know > this is what will happen. :) o terms such as "regulation" and "governance" presu

Re: ZOMG: IPv6 a plot to stymie FBI !!!11!ONE!

On Jun 17, 2012 7:46 PM, "Vinny Abello" wrote: > > On 6/17/2012 10:22 PM, Jimmy Hess wrote: > > On 6/17/12, Joel jaeggli wrote: > > [snip] > >> resources were delegated to them. future prefix assignments will > >> clearly require that the demonstrate utilization much as they are > >> required to

Re: ZOMG: IPv6 a plot to stymie FBI !!!11!ONE!

On 6/17/2012 10:48 PM, Scott Weeks wrote: > > --- vi...@abellohome.net wrote: > From: Vinny Abello > > : It would seem to me if the if law enforcement is concerned about > : incentives to make networks do this, then it should be made a law > : within their operating jurisdiction to enforce this c

Re: ZOMG: IPv6 a plot to stymie FBI !!!11!ONE!

--- vi...@abellohome.net wrote: From: Vinny Abello : It would seem to me if the if law enforcement is concerned about : incentives to make networks do this, then it should be made a law : within their operating jurisdiction to enforce this compliance. : This is a law enforcement problem and I

Re: ZOMG: IPv6 a plot to stymie FBI !!!11!ONE!

On 6/17/2012 10:22 PM, Jimmy Hess wrote: > On 6/17/12, Joel jaeggli wrote: > [snip] >> resources were delegated to them. future prefix assignments will >> clearly require that the demonstrate utilization much as they are >> required to in ipv4. > > Sure. But they don't necessarily have to have WHO

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Hey John, Thanks for taking the time for the detailed response. I always enjoy reading your posts. On 6/17/2012 7:16 PM, John Curran wrote: > On Jun 17, 2012, at 4:01 PM, Vinny Abello wrote: >> If anything, I feel like this is a ploy by the FBI feeding the media to >> get criminals to adopt IPv6

Re: ZOMG: IPv6 a plot to stymie FBI !!!11!ONE!

On 6/17/12, Joel jaeggli wrote: [snip] > resources were delegated to them. future prefix assignments will > clearly require that the demonstrate utilization much as they are > required to in ipv4. Sure. But they don't necessarily have to have WHOIS listings up to date in order to successfully

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>> Lather rinse repeat with a better choice of address... >> >> 2001:550:3ee3:f329:102a3:2aff:fe23:1f69 >> >> This is in the ARIN region... > > Actually it's not a valid address at all, because it also has a typo. > one might assume with a typo that the most significant bits are probably > corre

Re: ZOMG: IPv6 a plot to stymie FBI !!!11!ONE!

On 6/17/12 16:29 , Owen DeLong wrote: > > On Jun 17, 2012, at 10:53 AM, Joel jaeggli wrote: > >> On 6/17/12 10:24 , valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: >>> On Sun, 17 Jun 2012 13:10:59 -0400, Arturo Servin said: Wouldn't BCP38 help? >>> >>> The mail I'm replying to has as the first Received: l

Re: ZOMG: IPv6 a plot to stymie FBI !!!11!ONE!

Hello everyone, Yes the FBI can't just rely on Whois for apart of their investigation. yes I will agree it's a big part but also those records are spoofed alot. But reverse Ip looks I can understand. James Smith CEO, CEH SmithwaySecurity Toronto, Canada On 12-06-17 08:29 PM, Owen DeLong wrot

Re: ZOMG: IPv6 a plot to stymie FBI !!!11!ONE!

On Jun 17, 2012, at 10:53 AM, Joel jaeggli wrote: > On 6/17/12 10:24 , valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: >> On Sun, 17 Jun 2012 13:10:59 -0400, Arturo Servin said: >>> Wouldn't BCP38 help? >> >> The mail I'm replying to has as the first Received: line: >> >> Received: from ?IPv6:2800:af:ba30:e

Re: ZOMG: IPv6 a plot to stymie FBI !!!11!ONE!

On Jun 17, 2012, at 4:01 PM, Vinny Abello wrote: > I fail to see the problem the media and FBI are worried about. If the > regional registries are accurately documenting who they are allocating > assignments to, the authorities have somewhere to start. Even if > everything is properly documented v

Re: ZOMG: IPv6 a plot to stymie FBI !!!11!ONE!

On 6/17/12 13:22 , valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: > On Sun, 17 Jun 2012 10:53:52 -0700, Joel jaeggli said: >> On 6/17/12 10:24 , valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: > >>> So - who owns 2800:af:ba30:e8cf:4881:973a:c68? And how does an LEO >>> find that info quickly if they need to figure out who to han

Re: ZOMG: IPv6 a plot to stymie FBI !!!11!ONE!

On Sun, 17 Jun 2012 10:53:52 -0700, Joel jaeggli said: > On 6/17/12 10:24 , valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: > > So - who owns 2800:af:ba30:e8cf:4881:973a:c68? And how does an LEO > > find that info quickly if they need to figure out who to hand a warrant to? > > so first of you introduced a typo

Re: ZOMG: IPv6 a plot to stymie FBI !!!11!ONE!

On 6/15/2012 11:59 AM, Jay Ashworth wrote: > http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-57453738-83/fbi-dea-warn-ipv6-could-shield-criminals-from-police/ > > > > Cheers, > -- jra I fail to see the problem the media and FBI are worried about. If the regional registries are accurately documenting who they are

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If the ISP fails to filter my bogus space and leak that route to the Internet (which happens today everyday with IPv4, and will with IPv6) I would get my return path. Again, if every ISP followed BCP 38 that would not happen (IPv6 and IPv4). But they are not, and probably they

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> BCP 38 would work. The problem is that many ISPs do not ingress filter, > so I >can use whatever unnallocated IPv6 space >(2F10:baba:ba30:e8cf:d06f:4881:973a:c68) to SPAM and then go invisible and use >another one (2E10:baba:ba30:e8cf:d06f:4881:973a:c68) How do you plan to get the return

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You would go to the whois: whois -h whois.lacnic.net 2800:af::/32 You will find that it is assigned to ISP "Whatever". If you are the cops you will find who I am asking them. BCP 38 would work. The problem is that many ISPs do not ingress filter, so I can use whatever

Re: ZOMG: IPv6 a plot to stymie FBI !!!11!ONE!

On 6/17/12 10:24 , valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: > On Sun, 17 Jun 2012 13:10:59 -0400, Arturo Servin said: >> Wouldn't BCP38 help? > > The mail I'm replying to has as the first Received: line: > > Received: from ?IPv6:2800:af:ba30:e8cf:d06f:4881:973a:c68? > ([2800:af:ba30:e8cf:d06f:4881:9

Re: ZOMG: IPv6 a plot to stymie FBI !!!11!ONE!

On Sun, 17 Jun 2012 13:10:59 -0400, Arturo Servin said: > Wouldn't BCP38 help? The mail I'm replying to has as the first Received: line: Received: from ?IPv6:2800:af:ba30:e8cf:d06f:4881:973a:c68? ([2800:af:ba30:e8cf:d06f:4881:973a:c68]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b8sm25918444anm.4.

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Wouldn't BCP38 help? /as On 15 Jun 2012, at 11:59, Jay Ashworth wrote: > http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-57453738-83/fbi-dea-warn-ipv6-could-shield-criminals-from-police/ > > > > Cheers, > -- jra > -- > Jay R. Ashworth Baylink > j...

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On Jun 17, 2012, at 9:39 AM, joseph.sny...@gmail.com wrote: > It's about time and cost. If it's an emergency situation, trying to guess who > might own the address waste time to get confirmation, if it is a complete > guessing game. Then a warrant has to be gotten. You need to know who to put >

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It's about time and cost. If it's an emergency situation, trying to guess who might own the address waste time to get confirmation, if it is a complete guessing game. Then a warrant has to be gotten. You need to know who to put on the warrant to make a request. Cameron Byrne wrote: But whois

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But whois info is really the linchpin for LEAs trying to find criminals? I find that very hard to believe. CB

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On Jun 16, 2012, at 7:07 PM, Scott Weeks wrote: > From: John Curran >> >> With respect to updating Whois, it is true that many ISPs do not >> update their sub-delegations until applying for their next IPv4 >> block. Whether this is also the case with IPV6 or not remains >> to be seen, but gi

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Internet Regulator? /bill On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 10:43:26AM +0100, Roland Perry wrote: > In article <20120616160738.eee09...@resin05.mta.everyone.net>, Scott > Weeks writes > > >What is going to make folks change their behavior? > > If all else fails, perhaps a regulator fining the ISP

Re: ZOMG: IPv6 a plot to stymie FBI !!!11!ONE!

In article <20120616160738.eee09...@resin05.mta.everyone.net>, Scott Weeks writes What is going to make folks change their behavior? If all else fails, perhaps a regulator fining the ISP $1000 for every allocation (I agree that whether it's IPv4 or IPv6 isn't relevant) where the WHOIS info