Re: "Programmers can't get IPv6 thus that is why they do not have IPv6 in their applications"....

2012-12-02 Thread Owen DeLong
> > ps. I work for a division of my employer that does not yet have IPv6 support > in its rather popular consumer software product. Demand for IPv6 from our > rather large customer base is, at present, essentially nonexistent, and other > things would be way above it in the stack-ranked backlog

DDOS hardware appliances for network security - Arbor Pravail APS vs nsFocus ADS 6020 - Reviews - Feedback

2012-12-02 Thread James Braunegg
Dear Nanog I would like to start a discussion on network security DDOS hardware appliances, mainly compairing the Arbor Pravail APS device vs the nsFocus ADS6020 device as I am looking at investing in such a product and would love to hear some industry feedback, reviews, information and from

Re: DDOS hardware appliances for network security - Arbor Pravail APS vs nsFocus ADS 6020 - Reviews - Feedback

2012-12-02 Thread Dennis Usle
Checkout Radware Defense Pro. It offers some very innovative approaches to network and application attack mitigation. I particularly like the NBA and real time signatures. James Braunegg wrote: >Dear Nanog > > > >I would like to start a discussion on network security DDOS hardware >appl

Re: Legal Crap [was: William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if you can.]

2012-12-02 Thread Barry Shein
I think one error being made here is discussing the culpability of law enforcement per se. That's like blaming the UPS delivery person because something you bought from Amazon was misleading. Or praising him/her because it was great. One way of asserting authority over any property is making ver

RE: DDOS hardware appliances for network security - Arbor Pravail APS vs nsFocus ADS 6020 - Reviews - Feedback

2012-12-02 Thread Joseph Chin
If all you need is initial mitigation against fairly basic flood type attack vectors, then the Radware and a host of other similar appliances, should do the job. I know Radware is in the stack of a few very successful DDoS mitigation services. But if you intend to offer a premium DDoS mitigation

Re: "Programmers can't get IPv6 thus that is why they do not have IPv6 in their applications"....

2012-12-02 Thread Matthew Kaufman
On 12/1/2012 11:55 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: Yes, but unlike Skype, most popular applications have competitors and whichever competitor provides the better user experience will cut the others off from a meaningful proportion of their customers. Owen I think you're assuming some magic that lets o

Re: "Programmers can't get IPv6 thus that is why they do not have IPv6 in their applications"....

2012-12-02 Thread Michael Thomas
On 12/01/2012 11:55 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: ps. I work for a division of my employer that does not yet have IPv6 support in its rather popular consumer software product. Demand for IPv6 from our rather large customer base is, at present, essentially nonexistent, and other things would be way ab

Re: "Programmers can't get IPv6 thus that is why they do not have IPv6 in their applications"....

2012-12-02 Thread Cameron Byrne
> "Everything you need to know" except for how to actually accomplish this > task in the real world. > > In order to accomplish this in the real world using present-day software > development methodologies you would need to do a few more things: > - Generate some user stories that explain why the I

Re: "Programmers can't get IPv6 thus that is why they do not have IPv6 in their applications"....

2012-12-02 Thread Mark Andrews
Adding IPv6 support isn't like adding most new features. It doesn't give most people something extra. It doesn't "enhance the experience". It is insurance for when the CGN is deployed by the ISP or when the ISP goes IPv6 only and like most insurance you don't know when you will needed and you wi

RE: carping about CARP

2012-12-02 Thread Adrian Farrel
Far be it from me to get involved in a private pissing match, but... Owen wrote: > Perhaps we should ask IETF/IANA to allocate a group of protocol numbers > to "the wild west". A protocol-number equivalent of RFC-1918 or private ASNs. > You can use these for whatever you want, but so can anyone e

Re: When an ISP should run their own IRR for customers

2012-12-02 Thread Courtney Smith
On Dec 2, 2012, at 5:18 AM, nanog-requ...@nanog.org wrote: > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2012 20:20:51 -0500 > From: ML > To: nanog@nanog.org > Subject: When an ISP should run their own IRR for customers > Message-ID: <50baacf3.4040...@kenweb.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-88

Re: carping about CARP

2012-12-02 Thread Jay
On 12/2/2012 5:28 PM, Adrian Farrel wrote: Far be it from me to get involved in a private pissing match, but... Owen wrote: Perhaps we should ask IETF/IANA to allocate a group of protocol numbers to "the wild west". A protocol-number equivalent of RFC-1918 or private ASNs. You can use these fo

Re: William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if you can.

2012-12-02 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 11/29/12 23:18 , Joakim Aronius wrote: > I am all for being anonymous on the net but I seriously believe that > we still need to enforce the law when it comes to serious felonies > like child pr0n, organized crime etc, we can't give them a free pass > just by using Tor. I dont think it should b

Re: William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if you can.

2012-12-02 Thread Michael Painter
Joel jaeggli wrote: The internet is potentially quite a useful tool for getting your message out so long as using it isn't holding a gun to your own head. While we site here with the convenient idea of some legal arbitrage which allows me to do something which isn't illegal in my own domain to

Re: William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if you can.

2012-12-02 Thread Jima
On 2012-12-02 22:44, Michael Painter wrote: Joel jaeggli wrote: The internet is potentially quite a useful tool for getting your message out so long as using it isn't holding a gun to your own head. While we site here with the convenient idea of some legal arbitrage which allows me to do somet

Re: William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if you can.

2012-12-02 Thread Joakim Aronius
* Joel jaeggli (joe...@bogus.com) wrote: > On 11/29/12 23:18 , Joakim Aronius wrote: > > > I am all for being anonymous on the net but I seriously believe that > > we still need to enforce the law when it comes to serious felonies > > like child pr0n, organized crime etc, we can't give them a free