On Jan 31, 2013, at 19:21 , Scott Helms wrote:
> Fletcher nailed it, if you want the architecture you're describing then you
> simply don't want PON. Its built around lower cost and a big part of that
> lower cost is minimizing the fiber costs by serving splitters (and thus many
> homes) fro
I don't have specific data to point you to. I am speaking from my experience,
in large cities. Totally different story in rural or suburban areas.
In general, if a municipality builds an L1 or L2 network it removes so many
barriers of competition that many idiots get into the business. The
Fletcher nailed it, if you want the architecture you're describing then you
simply don't want PON. Its built around lower cost and a big part of that
lower cost is minimizing the fiber costs by serving splitters (and thus
many homes) from a single fiber that back hauls to the CO. The other
reason
On 1/31/13 6:28 PM, Dan Armstrong wrote:
> But the most successful municipal undertaking to support telecom I have ever
> seen is a municipally owned conduit system….
Could you be a bit more specific? What is the muni, and where can the
business model data be found?
Also, what was the muni's RO
Hi Matt ,
Are you still looking for ddos protection?
Thanks,
Ameen Pishdadi
On Jan 31, 2013, at 12:13 PM, matt kelly wrote:
> Can anyone recommended ddos mitigation companies with US east coast
> presence that provide the services via bgp? We are not interested in an
> appliance but rather
Sorry for jumping into this discussion so late…. and I apologize if this has
already been talked about (this has been a long thread)
But the most successful municipal undertaking to support telecom I have ever
seen is a municipally owned conduit system…. Any infrastructure L1, L2, or
anything
On Jan 31, 2013, at 5:08 PM, Ray Soucy wrote:
>> 1. Must sell dark fiber to any purchaser.
>> 2. Must sell dark fiber to all purchasers on equal terms.
>>(There must be a published price list and there cannot be deviations
>>from that price list. If the price list is mo
On Jan 31, 2013, at 4:36 PM, Brandon Butterworth wrote:
>> I'm saying you put the splitter next to the OLT and then
>> run multiple fibers from there to the subscribers IN THE MMR
>
> That's the way I'd expect it to be done if planning ahead,
> GPON is today technology and new things always com
> 1. Must sell dark fiber to any purchaser.
> 2. Must sell dark fiber to all purchasers on equal terms.
> (There must be a published price list and there cannot be deviations
> from that price list. If the price list is modified, existing
> customers
> receive the
> I'm saying you put the splitter next to the OLT and then
> run multiple fibers from there to the subscribers IN THE MMR
That's the way I'd expect it to be done if planning ahead,
GPON is today technology and new things always come
I can see why they don't do this though
1. reduced build cost t
On 13-01-31 17:04, Scott Helms wrote:
> switch you can VLAN. One fiber goes to the splitter on the provider side
> and then from there it splits into 8/16/32/64 connections that go to
> customers. You can't exchange one of the customer side ports to make
> another provider interface.
Actually
On Jan 31, 2013, at 13:57 , Fletcher Kittredge wrote:
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 4:36 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
> If you have an MMR where all of the customers come together, then you
> can cross-connect all of $PROVIDER_1's customers to a splitter provided
> by $PROVIDER_1 and cross conne
Scott,
Respectfully, you appear to be misinterpreting what I am saying.
I'm saying you put the splitter next to the OLT and then run multiple fibers
from there to the subscribers IN THE MMR.
Each provider has their own splitters and OLTs, but all the splitters are in
the MMR and the customers h
Owen,
Respectfully, it doesn't work that way. You have to understand that the
splitter is a specific part of the PON architecture and they don't have
multiple outputs to connect to several OLTs like a patch panel or even a
switch you can VLAN. One fiber goes to the splitter on the provider side
On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 4:36 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
> If you have an MMR where all of the customers come together, then you
> can cross-connect all of $PROVIDER_1's customers to a splitter provided
> by $PROVIDER_1 and cross connect all of $PROVIDER_2's customers to
> a splitter provided by $PROV
On Jan 31, 2013, at 13:27 , Scott Helms wrote:
> Owen,
>
> You can't share access from one splitter to multiple OLTs so the location of
> the splitter isn't important. AFAIK there is simply no concept for that idea
> in any of the PON specs and its certainly not something that
> Calix/Adtra
Owen,
You can't share access from one splitter to multiple OLTs so the location
of the splitter isn't important. AFAIK there is simply no concept for that
idea in any of the PON specs and its certainly not something that
Calix/Adtran/Zhone/Alcatel/$gear_maker are building right now. For that
mat
That's why I'm not advocating for open access, I'm advocating for L1/L2 provider
separation and a requirement that the L1 access itself be open.
I have yet to get a firm answer, but as I understand PON, it doesn't actually
matter
so much whether you put the splitter/combiner in an MMR or near the
http://mydeviceinfo.comcast.net is up to date and will have more devices
this year. If the device is a standalone modem and has IPv6 checked you
need to make sure your customer owned CPE supports IPv6 *AND* is enabled.
Otherwise if it is an integrated device provided by Comcast or via
retails, onc
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>On Jan 30, 2013, at 7:52 PM, Mark Andrews wrote:
>The update you sent is lovely, except I can tell you that the one (also
>a
This is news, it would be great if more details were available. Anyone?
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There is a lot more to come this year, so stay tuned. ;)
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See below.
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>Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 09:43:10 -0800
>From: joel jaeggli
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>
>S
Look up DOSArrest. (dosarrest.com)
3 permanent cases easily solved with them.
And no, I'm not one of their sales rep =D
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PubNIX Inc.
50 boul. St-Charles
P.O. Box 26770 Beaconsfield, Quebec H9W 6G7
FWIW, you can get 1U 48-pair LC patch panels, or, you can get Keystone
panels and LC duplex snapins. I believe Panduit, among others make
these products.
I've used them in the past. The snapins and the panels both expect an LC
termination of the back side fiber as well. They don't provide protecti
Owen,
The short answer is that you don't today and it will be a long time (if
ever) before its feasible. Europe is commonly held up as an example of an
area where open access works and if you stick to DSL networks that's true.
The problem is that the DSL networks (by and large) in Europe aren't
On Jan 31, 2013, at 07:07 , Ray Soucy wrote:
> Late to the conversation, but I'll chime in that we established a
> model in Maine that is working pretty well, at least for middle-mile
> fiber.
>
> When we started building out MaineREN (our RON) we decided that having
> the University own the fi
On Jan 9, 2013, at 1:18 PM, Leo Bicknell wrote:
> In a message written on Wed, Jan 09, 2013 at 06:39:28PM +0100, Mikael
> Abrahamsson wrote:
>> IPMI is exactly what we're going for.
>
> For Vendors that use a "PC" motherboard, IPMI would probably not be
> difficult at all! :)
>
> I think IPMI
> -Original Message-
> From: Carlos Kamtha [mailto:kam...@ak-labs.net]
> Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 13:53
> To: Piotr
> Cc: nanog@nanog.org
> Subject: Re: box against dos/ddos
>
>
> Arbour Peakflow is probably the way to go.
>
> However if you don't want to spend a ton of money, yo
On 20/08/2012 15:51, Nick Hilliard wrote:
> Last time I looked, the support looked like this:
>
> XR: v4: HSRPv1, VRRP v6: VRRP
> IOS: v4: HSRPv1, HSRPv2, VRRP, GLBP v6: HSRPv2, GLBP
>
> You'll notice a certain lack of joined-up thinking here.
Looks like IOS 15.2(4)M finally s
Arbour Peakflow is probably the way to go.
However if you don't want to spend a ton of money, you might
want to consider using a stub router +bgp coupled with a server
running the appropriate SNMP tools (perhaps cacti) to publish your desired data.
It's not the most convenient solution but it
I think Radware has to sit inline. I do not believe they offer BGP offramp,
so keep that in mind.
On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 10:39 AM, Jay Coley wrote:
> +1 for Radware
>
> On 31/01/2013 18:36, dennis wrote:
> > Agreed, my shortlist for evaluation would include Arbor, Radware and
> > Genie NRM.
+1 for Radware
On 31/01/2013 18:36, dennis wrote:
> Agreed, my shortlist for evaluation would include Arbor, Radware and
> Genie NRM. New players to the market include just about every IPS and
> application load balancing solution out there.
>
>
> -
On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 1:13 PM, matt kelly wrote:
> Can anyone recommended ddos mitigation companies with US east coast
> presence that provide the services via bgp? We are not interested in an
> appliance but rather offloading the traffic.
>
I would look at Verisign's VIDN product:
http://w
Agreed, my shortlist for evaluation would include Arbor, Radware and Genie
NRM. New players to the market include just about every IPS and
application load balancing solution out there.
--
From: "Suresh Ramasubramanian"
Sent: Thursday, Januar
Might also want to take a look at stuff from Cablesys:
http://www.cablesys.com/p/2277/fiber-patch-panel-lc-quad-ceramic
http://www.cablesys.com/p/2300/enclosure-1-rms-slide-3-panel
Only requirement from below missing is they don't usually have doors. I'm
not sure much in a 1U panel does these da
On 1/31/13 10:13 AM, matt kelly wrote:
> Can anyone recommended ddos mitigation companies with US east coast
> presence that provide the services via bgp? We are not interested in an
> appliance but rather offloading the traffic.
>
Prolexic.
Arbor Networks..
On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 10:13 AM, matt kelly wrote:
> Can anyone recommended ddos mitigation companies with US east coast
> presence that provide the services via bgp? We are not interested in an
> appliance but rather offloading the traffic.
>
> Thanks.
>
--
Best Regards,
Have you looked at anything from Clear Field, just as an example
something like this.
http://www.clearfieldconnection.com/products/panels/fieldsmart-small-count-delivery-scd-1ru-rack-mount-cabinet-mount-panel.html
On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 11:44 AM, Chuck Anderson wrote:
> I'm looking for better T
I'm looking for better Top-Of-Rack fiber patch panels than the ones
I've been using up to this point. I'm looking for something that is
1U, holds 12 to 24 strands of SC, ST, or LC, has fiber jumper
management rings, and has a door that doesn't interfere with the U
below (a server might be mounted
2nd the Peakflow recommendation.
On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 7:23 AM, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:
> arbor peakflow to start with?
>
> On Thursday, January 31, 2013, Piotr wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I looking some box (vendor, model), which i can put out of the
> > main/product network, which can an
arbor peakflow to start with?
On Thursday, January 31, 2013, Piotr wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I looking some box (vendor, model), which i can put out of the
> main/product network, which can analyze packets netflow,sflow,syslog from
> bgp router(s) and after discover some anomaly it can do some action, f
On 2013-01-31 08:53 , Shahab Vahabzadeh wrote:
> Those ip addresses I send were only sample, its 5 page :D and not only
> those addresses.
> And you are looking to target 128.141.X.Y its mine
128.141.0.0/16 is CERN in Switzerland.
Thus not yours, but "owned"(*) by n...@cern.ch.
(unless you work t
On 2013-01-31 08:04 , Shahab Vahabzadeh wrote:
> Hi everybody,
> Last two days I was under an interesting attack which comes from multiple
> sources to three of my ADSL users destination.
You say that it comes from multiple sources to 3 of your DSL users.
The below source/dest though shows that t
Late to the conversation, but I'll chime in that we established a
model in Maine that is working pretty well, at least for middle-mile
fiber.
When we started building out MaineREN (our RON) we decided that having
the University own the fiber would tie it up in political red tape.
So much so that i
On 1/30/2013 9:10 PM, David Barak wrote:
IPv6 has been launched on all Arris DOCSIS 3.0 C4 CMTSes, covering
over 50% our network.
The update you sent is lovely, except I can tell you that the one (also an
Arris, running DOCSIS 3.0) which was installed in late October in my house in
Washingt
Except for the fact that the people waiting for their gold shipment
expect it to be treated as gold and not kaolin or chickens. At the
end of the day the ISP is who gets called first and sometime they're
the only person an end user can reach. Try this one day if you're
ready for some frustration
TR-069 (part of which is CWMP) has been around a long long time and
Telcodria is well aware of it. The real problem is getting it
actually implemented well on CPE gear since the TM Forum didn't even
have a certification process until this year.
On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 11:24 PM, Jay Ashworth wrot
On Thu, 31 Jan 2013 10:34:29 +0330
Shahab Vahabzadeh wrote:
> Attacks takes only 20 or 30 minutes and it happens only 4 times in
> two days. I could'nt capture any packet but this is out put of my
> "show ip accounting" that time:
Attacks on gaming systems or at the gamers themselves are unfortu
Hi,
I looking some box (vendor, model), which i can put out of the
main/product network, which can analyze packets netflow,sflow,syslog
from bgp router(s) and after discover some anomaly it can do some
action, for example:
- Box have bgp session with bgp router and advertise attacked ip pr
In a message written on Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 09:30:31PM -0800, Owen DeLong
wrote:
> > I would like to build an infrastrucutre that could last 50-100 years,
> > like the telephone twisted pair of the last century. The only tech I
> > can see that can do that is home run single mode fiber to the ho
> Looking at http://mydeviceinfo.comcast.net you get a choice of wireless
> or IPv6 in Arris.
>
I Wish they would ask which you want before install: I already have better
wireless, and the Arris ones don't let you disable theirs :/
Thank you for the pointer - perhaps a swap is in order.
David B
Hi.
The IPs you see is the exploited gameservers, so "just" contact them,
and send them the link below.
There is a workaround for it:
http://rankgamehosting.ru/index.php?showtopic=1320
We have had problem with this in the past. Usually we get "abuse
complaints" from the admin of the game ser
On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 11:23:11AM +0330,
Shahab Vahabzadeh wrote
a message of 55 lines which said:
> Those ip addresses I send were only sample, its 5 page :D and not
> only those addresses.
Because the attacker attacks when they have a new opponent. They DoS
it long enough to win a race, th
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