Re: The 100 Gbit/s problem in your network

2013-02-10 Thread Ryan Malayter
On Feb 9, 2013, at 6:45 AM, fredrik danerklint wrote: > No. Streaming from services, like Netflix, HBO, etc..., is what's > coming. We need to prepare for the bandwidth they are going to be > using. Then work on your HTTP caching infrastructure. All these services already use a proprietary fo

Re: Muni fiber: L1 or L2?

2013-02-10 Thread Jason Baugher
On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 2:09 AM, Masataka Ohta < mo...@necom830.hpcl.titech.ac.jp> wrote: > Jason Baugher wrote: > > >> You don't have to, as you are not seriously interested in the > >> topic. > > > I'm shocked that you waste time trying to educate us. > > No, as I said, I'm not trying to educate

Re: JoeJobbed, I think

2013-02-10 Thread Rich Kulawiec
On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 08:43:28PM -0500, Jay Ashworth wrote: > Unless I'm very much mistaken, I believe that last Received before the date > (combined with absence of the static IP of my mailserver) is evidence of an > envelope-level forgery. Concur -- it looks that way from here as well. What

Re: 10 Mbit/s problem in your network

2013-02-10 Thread Constantine A. Murenin
On 10 February 2013 11:02, joel jaeggli wrote: > On 2/9/13 7:55 PM, Constantine A. Murenin wrote: >> >> Dear NANOG@, >> >> In light of the recent discussion titled, "The 100 Gbit/s problem in >> your network", I'd like to point out that smaller operators and >> end-sites are currently very busy ha

RE: Level3 worldwide emergency upgrade?

2013-02-10 Thread Simon Allard
Sorry, should rephrase. The reason for the upgrade is PSN-2013-01-823 (PR 839412) The reason for the BGP blackhole, is as you point out PR8361907 -Original Message- From: Simon Allard [mailto:simon.all...@team.orcon.net.nz] Sent: Monday, 11 February 2013 2:48 p.m. To: Matthew Petach; J

RE: Level3 worldwide emergency upgrade?

2013-02-10 Thread Simon Allard
I think you might find its this issue. PSN-2013-01-823 "Junos: Crafted TCP packet can lead to kernel crash" -Original Message- From: Matthew Petach [mailto:mpet...@netflight.com] Sent: Thursday, 7 February 2013 7:23 a.m. To: Jonathan Towne Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Level3 worl

JoeJobbed, I think

2013-02-10 Thread Jay Ashworth
Here are the relevant headers as I saw them from the list: """ Received: from benjamin.baylink.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (benjamin.baylink.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Rv7Ib4bfEtWx for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2013 19:55:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from

Re: Multicast Ethernet frames not bridging between wired and wireless, Netgear CPE

2013-02-10 Thread Jared Mauch
I've seen some Linux boxes in bridge mode do strange things with wireless and ipv6. Using wds mode resolved it. Is the wireless in wds mode? On Feb 9, 2013, at 2:31 PM, "Christopher J. Pilkington" wrote: > I've a Netgear 7550 B90 provided by Frontier. (Yes, it's my only choice > other than VSAT

Re: 10 Mbit/s problem in your network

2013-02-10 Thread fredrik danerklint
*Now* I understand the problem. Do you really think that the content providers, and the delivery systems they purposefully choose for that, actually make that possible, much less practical? (I'm not sure that I understand what you mean with that sentence). If you mean that a CSP already has an

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Re: 10 Mbit/s problem in your network

2013-02-10 Thread Michal Krsek
Hello, The Apple TV cited as an example was an example. If the TV Show/films/movies/etc.. is static content, then we should be able to cache it, at the hotel's cache server. The question is "how much it helps". Everyone can easily find that caching Google logo is possible, also some pictu

Re: 10 Mbit/s problem in your network

2013-02-10 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - > From: "fredrik danerklint" > > The Apple TV cited as an example was an example. > > If the TV Show/films/movies/etc.. is static content, then we > should be able to cache it, at the hotel's cache server. Oh. *Now* I understand the problem. Do you really think th

Re: Muni fiber: L1 or L2?

2013-02-10 Thread Stephen Sprunk
On 03-Feb-13 14:33, Scott Helms wrote: > On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 2:53 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: >> Is it more expensive to home-run every home than to put splitters in the >> neighborhood? Yes. Is it enough more expensive that the tradeoffs cannot be >> overcome? I remain unconvinced. > This complet

Re: Muni fiber: L1 or L2?

2013-02-10 Thread Stephen Sprunk
On 02-Feb-13 14:07, Scott Helms wrote: > A layer 1 architecture isn't going to be an economical option for the > foreseeable future so opining on its value is a waste of time...its simple > not feasible now or even 5 years from now because of costs. The optimal open > access network (with curre

Re: Muni fiber: L1 or L2?

2013-02-10 Thread Stephen Sprunk
On 04-Feb-13 15:17, Jean-Francois Mezei wrote: > On 13-02-04 16:04, Scott Helms wrote: >> Subscribers don't care if the hand off is at layer 1 or layer 2 so this is >> moot as well. > This is where one has to be carefull. The wholesale scenario in Canada > leaves indepdendant ISPs having to expl

Re: 10 Mbit/s problem in your network

2013-02-10 Thread fredrik danerklint
You seem to be mistaken that any bandwidth issue will be remedied by TLMC. A significant number (well over the 50% mark I'd wager) will not be remedied. This thread was started over such a subject. And to save 1 - 5 Mbit/s of this bandwidth is wrong, how? The Apple TV cited as an example was

Re: 10 Mbit/s problem in your network

2013-02-10 Thread joel jaeggli
On 2/9/13 7:55 PM, Constantine A. Murenin wrote: Dear NANOG@, In light of the recent discussion titled, "The 100 Gbit/s problem in your network", I'd like to point out that smaller operators and end-sites are currently very busy having and ignoring the 10 Mbit/s problem in their networks. Hotel

Re: 10 Mbit/s problem in your network

2013-02-10 Thread JP Velders
> Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2013 17:33:04 +0100 > From: fredrik danerklint > Subject: Re: 10 Mbit/s problem in your network > Since when have you started to publish your sensitive corporate > documents on public sites, cause that's what's needed for TLMC to > cache your documents in the first place.

Re: 10 Mbit/s problem in your network

2013-02-10 Thread fredrik danerklint
Not to be pedantic, but The Last Mile Cache will actually help you to solve this problem, with a local cache server at the hotel. The hotel's ISP must participate in TLMC before they, the hotel, can have a cache server running. And as a business traveller I want to have the ISP or Hotel cache

Re: 10 Mbit/s problem in your network

2013-02-10 Thread Måns Nilsson
Subject: Re: 10 Mbit/s problem in your network Date: Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 05:07:49PM +0100 Quoting JP Velders (j...@veldersjes.net): > > Not to be pedantic, but The Last Mile Cache will actually help you to > > solve this problem, with a local cache server at the hotel. > And as a business tra

Re: 10 Mbit/s problem in your network

2013-02-10 Thread JP Velders
> Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2013 13:08:04 +0100 > From: fredrik danerklint > Subject: Re: 10 Mbit/s problem in your network > Not to be pedantic, but The Last Mile Cache will actually help you to > solve this problem, with a local cache server at the hotel. > The hotel's ISP must participate in TLMC be

Re: Multicast Ethernet frames not bridging between wired and wireless, Netgear CPE

2013-02-10 Thread Dan Luedtke
On Sat, 9 Feb 2013 14:31:00 -0500 "Christopher J. Pilkington" wrote: > Further digging indicates > that RA and NS don't cross the bridge from wired to wireless. Are you using the Netgear device for wireless, or is there a wireless adapter/card/whatever in your linux box? If you have linux runni

Re: 10 Mbit/s problem in your network

2013-02-10 Thread fredrik danerklint
Others think that load-balancing 150+ rooms with Fast Ethernet and WiFi in every room, plus a couple of conference/meeting rooms (e.g. potentially more than a single /24 worth of all sorts of devices) on a couple of independent T1 and ADSL links is an acceptable practice. Yes, a T1 and an ADSL, wi

Re: Muni fiber: L1 or L2?

2013-02-10 Thread Masataka Ohta
Jason Baugher wrote: >> You don't have to, as you are not seriously interested in the >> topic. > I'm shocked that you waste time trying to educate us. No, as I said, I'm not trying to educate someone who don't want to be educated. > You're the one making the assertion, it's not my job to help