Re: PRISM: NSA/FBI Internet data mining project

2013-06-09 Thread Jason L. Sparks
To be fair, the reporting (initially) claimed the providers were granting the USG access directly to their servers. It's understandable and appropriate that the providers pushed back against that apparently erroneous reporting. Jason On Jun 8, 2013, at 22:44, ku po cciehe...@gmail.com wrote:

RE : Re: PRISM: NSA/FBI Internet data mining project

2013-06-09 Thread Michael Hallgren
Yet appears a certain lack of transparency, no?  mh  Message d'origine De : Jason L. Sparks jlspa...@gmail.com Date : A : ku po cciehe...@gmail.com Cc : NANOG nanog@nanog.org Objet : Re: PRISM: NSA/FBI Internet data mining project To be fair, the reporting (initially)

RE: PRISM: NSA/FBI Internet data mining project

2013-06-09 Thread R. Benjamin Kessler
On Saturday, June 08, 2013 6:44 PM, Ryan Malayter [mailto:malay...@gmail.com] wrote: Speaking from the content provider dide here, but we've always run IPsec on DCIs and even private T1s/DS3s back in the day. Doesn't everyone do the same these days? I find it hard to imagine passing any

Re: PRISM: NSA/FBI Internet data mining project

2013-06-09 Thread Dan White
On 06/07/13 18:20 -0700, Owen DeLong wrote: While the government has no responsibility to protect my data, they do have a responsibility to respect my privacy. While you are correct in that proper personal security procedures to protect my data from random crackers would, in fact, also protect

Re: OC3/STM-1 Line Card

2013-06-09 Thread Nick Khamis
Anyone? Good quality SIGTRAN/SS7 on STM-1/OCN? Kind Regards, Nick.

Re: Webcasting as a replacement for traditional broadcasting (was Re: Wackie 'ol Friday)

2013-06-09 Thread Eric Adler
The view from my side, as both a broadcaster and a consumer of both broadcast and 'webcast' content: From what I've been led to understand in my time in broadcast*, the decision wasn't made because of power costs but because they (the Grand Alliance and the FCC) believed that 8VSB would work

Re: PRISM: NSA/FBI Internet data mining project

2013-06-09 Thread Tom Taylor
On 08/06/2013 8:05 AM, Matthew Petach wrote: On Sat, Jun 8, 2013 at 4:12 AM, Jimmy Hess mysi...@gmail.com wrote: On 6/7/13, Måns Nilsson mansa...@besserwisser.org wrote: Subject: Re: PRISM: NSA/FBI Internet data mining project Date: Fri, Jun 07, 2013 at 12:25:35AM -0500 Quoting jamie rishaw

Re: OC3/STM-1 Line Card

2013-06-09 Thread Phil Fagan
Don't you need to drop DS0's out of that STM for signaling? On Sat, Jun 8, 2013 at 9:58 AM, Nick Khamis sym...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Everyone, Anyone know of a way of bypassing the 90K audiocodes mediant 3000 equipped for STM-1 interface using line cards and a linux box :). What we are

Re: Webcasting as a replacement for traditional broadcasting (was Re: Wackie 'ol Friday)

2013-06-09 Thread Jean-Francois Mezei
On 13-06-09 12:47, Eric Adler wrote: TV that was made in the mid-to-late 1980s (Sony Watchman) and now they are trying to 'solve' the mobile delivery 'problem'. Qualcomm is working on adding broadcast capabilities to LTE (this was from recent at a conference (Telecom Summit in Toronto), so I

Re: OC3/STM-1 Line Card

2013-06-09 Thread Michael Loftis
Most modern gear can go all the way to individual DS0's in a single card without a MUX of any kind. OC3/STM-1 is only like 155mbit. On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 10:13 AM, Phil Fagan philfa...@gmail.com wrote: Don't you need to drop DS0's out of that STM for signaling? On Sat, Jun 8, 2013 at 9:58

Re: Prism continued

2013-06-09 Thread Daniel Rohan
Anyone else notice that the Boundless Informant GUI looks suspiciously like the Splunk GUI? And according to the article, it sounds like it does exactly what Splunk is capable of, albeit on a grander scale than I thought possible. dgr On Jun 9, 2013 9:29 AM, Warren Bailey

Re: PRISM: NSA/FBI Internet data mining project

2013-06-09 Thread Ryan Malayter
On Jun 9, 2013, at 7:20 AM, R. Benjamin Kessler ben.kess...@zenetra.com wrote: I see that there is actually a beast that will do encryption of multiple 10G waves between Cisco ONS boxes - https://www.cisco.com/en/US/prod/collateral/optical/ps5724/ps2006/at_a_glance_c45-728015.pdf How

Re: OC3/STM-1 Line Card

2013-06-09 Thread Phil Fagan
Nick are you trying to run these codecs on linux? On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 11:29 AM, Michael Loftis mlof...@wgops.com wrote: Most modern gear can go all the way to individual DS0's in a single card without a MUX of any kind. OC3/STM-1 is only like 155mbit. On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 10:13 AM,

RE: PRISM: NSA/FBI Internet data mining project

2013-06-09 Thread Keith Medcalf
Of course the access isn't direct -- there is a firewall and a router in between. The access is indirect. --- () ascii ribbon campaign against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org -Original Message- From: Jason L. Sparks [mailto:jlspa...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, 09 June, 2013 04:24

Re: PRISM: NSA/FBI Internet data mining project

2013-06-09 Thread Rob McEwen
Dan, I doubt anyone can answer your question easily because you seem to have contradictions in your scenario. At one point you say: private company to collect information about terrorist entities, who in turn privately contracts with the top X telecom providers and Y social media companies

Re: PRISM: NSA/FBI Internet data mining project

2013-06-09 Thread Mike A
On Fri, Jun 07, 2013 at 04:17:14PM -0700, Eric Brunner-Williams wrote: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/07/obama-china-targets-cyber-overseas the headline may be misleading. Presidential Policy Directive 20 defines OCEO as operations and related programs or activities ? conducted

Re: PRISM: NSA/FBI Internet data mining project

2013-06-09 Thread William Herrin
On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 9:28 PM, Leo Bicknell bickn...@ufp.org wrote: While there's a whole political aspect of electing people who pass better laws, NANOG is not a political action forum. However many of the people on NANOG are in positions to affect positive change at their respective

Re: PRISM: NSA/FBI Internet data mining project

2013-06-09 Thread Michael Hallgren
Le 09/06/2013 20:26, Rob McEwen a écrit : Dan, I doubt anyone can answer your question easily because you seem to have contradictions in your scenario. At one point you say: private company to collect information about terrorist entities, who in turn privately contracts with the top X

Mechanics of CALEA taps

2013-06-09 Thread Randy Fischer
Dear nanog: Honestly, I expect replies to this question to range between zero and none, but I have to ask it. I understand the CALEA tap mechanism for most ISPs, generally, works like this: * we outsource our CALEA management to company X * we don't even know there's been a request until

RE: Mechanics of CALEA taps

2013-06-09 Thread Alex Rubenstein
Honestly, I expect replies to this question to range between zero and none, but I have to ask it. Surprise! I understand the CALEA tap mechanism for most ISPs, generally, works like this: * we outsource our CALEA management to company X * we don't even know there's been a request

Re: Webcasting as a replacement for traditional broadcasting (was Re: Wackie 'ol Friday)

2013-06-09 Thread Michael Painter
Eric Adler wrote: The view from my side, as both a broadcaster and a consumer of both broadcast and 'webcast' content: [snip] Thank you Eric...your comments are very much appreciated. --Michael

Re: Mechanics of CALEA taps

2013-06-09 Thread Christopher Morrow
(from back when I cared more about calea as an implementor) On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 8:15 PM, Alex Rubenstein a...@corp.nac.net wrote: Honestly, I expect replies to this question to range between zero and none, but I have to ask it. Surprise! aolme too!/aol I understand the CALEA tap

Re: Mechanics of CALEA taps

2013-06-09 Thread Jon Lewis
On Sun, 9 Jun 2013, Randy Fischer wrote: Dear nanog: Honestly, I expect replies to this question to range between zero and none, but I have to ask it. I understand the CALEA tap mechanism for most ISPs, generally, works like this: * we outsource our CALEA management to company X * we don't

Re: OC3/STM-1 Line Card

2013-06-09 Thread Nick Khamis
Sorry everyone for the delayed response. Basically we are trying to setup up POPS in specific ares. Each POP should be capable of handling 1500-2000 channels or ~60-80 virutal PRIs please bare with me. Laying down the 80K for Audiocodes 3000 with an OC interface, or even a Metaswitch would be the

Re: Webcasting as a replacement for traditional broadcasting (was Re: Wackie 'ol Friday)

2013-06-09 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Eric Adler eapt...@gmail.com The view from my side, as both a broadcaster and a consumer of both broadcast and 'webcast' content: My own comments were, and are, from the outside, following along cause I'll have to deal with it after they make the choices.

Re: Mechanics of CALEA taps

2013-06-09 Thread Matthew Kaufman
It is possible, and not just for ISPs Matthew Kaufman (Sent from my iPhone) On Jun 9, 2013, at 3:59 PM, Randy Fischer randy.fisc...@gmail.com wrote: Dear nanog: Honestly, I expect replies to this question to range between zero and none, but I have to ask it. I understand the CALEA tap

Re: PRISM: NSA/FBI Internet data mining project

2013-06-09 Thread Rob McEwen
On 6/9/2013 2:26 PM, Rob McEwen wrote: There are notable exceptions... for example, an employer is really the owner of the mailbox, not their employee. Therefore, there is an argument that government employees don't have privacy rights from the government for their official work e-mail