Re: chargen is the new DDoS tool?

2013-06-12 Thread Damian Menscher
On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 8:39 AM, Bernhard Schmidt be...@birkenwald.dewrote: we have been getting reports lately about unsecured UDP chargen servers in our network being abused for reflection attacks with spoofed sources Anyone else seeing that? Anyone who can think of a legitimate use of

Re: chargen is the new DDoS tool?

2013-06-12 Thread shawn wilson
This is basically untrue. I can deal with a good rant as long as there's some value in it. As it is (I'm sorta sorry) I picked this apart. On Jun 12, 2013 12:04 AM, Ricky Beam jfb...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 22:55:12 -0400, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: But seriously, how do

Re: chargen is the new DDoS tool?

2013-06-12 Thread Jimmy Hess
On 6/12/13, shawn wilson ag4ve...@gmail.com wrote: This is basically untrue. I can deal with a good rant as long as there's some value in it. As it is (I'm sorta sorry) I picked this apart. On Jun 12, 2013 12:04 AM, Ricky Beam jfb...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 22:55:12 -0400,

Re: chargen is the new DDoS tool?

2013-06-12 Thread shawn wilson
On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 4:51 AM, Jimmy Hess mysi...@gmail.com wrote: On 6/12/13, shawn wilson ag4ve...@gmail.com wrote: The scope is constantly changing. Not really. The old tricks are the best tricks. And when a default install By best, you must mean effective against the greatest number of

Re: chargen is the new DDoS tool?

2013-06-12 Thread Joel M Snyder
Do you have any actual evidence that a .edu of (say) 2K employees is statistically *measurably* less secure than a .com of 2K employees? We're sorta lookin' at one now. But seriously, how do you measure one's security? In ounces, unless it's a European university, in which case you use

Re: chargen is the new DDoS tool?

2013-06-12 Thread Jimmy Hess
On 6/12/13, Joel M Snyder joel.sny...@opus1.com wrote: But seriously, how do you measure one's security? In ounces, unless it's a European university, in which case you use liters. Older systems of measuring security involving mass (pounds and kilos) have been deprecated, and you should not

Re: chargen is the new DDoS tool?

2013-06-12 Thread Rich Kulawiec
I'm going to bypass the academic vs. non-academic security argument because I've worked everywhere, and from a security viewpoint, there is plenty of fail to go around. On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 09:37:04PM -0400, Ricky Beam wrote: I run a default deny policy... if nothing asked for it, it doesn't

Re: chargen is the new DDoS tool?

2013-06-12 Thread Aaron Glenn
On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 11:17 AM, shawn wilson ag4ve...@gmail.com wrote: Banks and insurance companies supposedly have some interesting actuarial data on this. Do you know of any publicly available sources? thanks, aaron

Re: chargen is the new DDoS tool?

2013-06-12 Thread Nick B
I thought the modern measure was hours and dollars wasted... Err I mean spent. Nick On Jun 12, 2013 5:21 AM, Joel M Snyder joel.sny...@opus1.com wrote: Do you have any actual evidence that a .edu of (say) 2K employees is statistically *measurably* less secure than a .com of 2K employees?

Re: chargen is the new DDoS tool?

2013-06-12 Thread shawn wilson
On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 7:14 AM, Aaron Glenn aaron.gl...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 11:17 AM, shawn wilson ag4ve...@gmail.com wrote: Banks and insurance companies supposedly have some interesting actuarial data on this. Do you know of any publicly available sources? I

Re: chargen is the new DDoS tool?

2013-06-12 Thread shawn wilson
Getting back to the topic. I just saw quite a few of our hosts scanned for this by 192.111.155.106 which doesn't say much on its own as http://dacentec.com/ is a hosting company. On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 11:27 PM, Ricky Beam jfb...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 22:52:52 -0400, Jimmy Hess

How ISP's in ARIN region create automatic prefix-filters?

2013-06-12 Thread Martin T
Hi, as I understand, ARIN whois database does not contain route objects, which are used for example in RIPE region for automatic BGP prefix filter generation. How does this work in ARIN region? I know that at least some ISP's operating in ARIN region use their own whois databases(for example

Re: How ISP's in ARIN region create automatic prefix-filters?

2013-06-12 Thread Joe Abley
On 2013-06-12, at 13:38, Martin T m4rtn...@gmail.com wrote: as I understand, ARIN whois database does not contain route objects, which are used for example in RIPE region for automatic BGP prefix filter generation. whois.arin.net:43 is for assignment/allocation information. Does not use

Re: chargen is the new DDoS tool?

2013-06-12 Thread John Kristoff
On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 19:52:02 -0400 Ricky Beam jfb...@gmail.com wrote: All of the above plus very poorly managed network / network security. (sadly a Given(tm) for anything ending dot-e-d-u.) That broad sweeping characterization, without any evidence, can be as casually dismissed without

Re: Prism continued

2013-06-12 Thread John Lightfoot
Let's see: Requires always-on internet connection Only available with Kinect Includes infrared sensor Manufactured by Microsoft, the first company to sign up for Prism When can I get my Xbox One?? http://www.nbcnews.com/technology/new-kinect-can-track-you-so-well-you-may- not-6C10287970 On

Re: Prism continued

2013-06-12 Thread Bacon Zombie
There is no way they could of paid for all the Splunk licencing costs which the budget quoted before On 9 June 2013 18:42, Daniel Rohan dro...@gmail.com wrote: Anyone else notice that the Boundless Informant GUI looks suspiciously like the Splunk GUI? And according to the article, it

Re: Prism continued

2013-06-12 Thread Phil Fagan
Speaking of Splunk; is that really the tool of choice? On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 5:46 PM, Bacon Zombie baconzom...@gmail.com wrote: There is no way they could of paid for all the Splunk licencing costs which the budget quoted before On 9 June 2013 18:42, Daniel Rohan dro...@gmail.com

Re: Prism continued

2013-06-12 Thread Mike Hale
It would make sense. It's a friggin' sick syslog analyzer. Expensive as hell, but awesome. On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 4:55 PM, Phil Fagan philfa...@gmail.com wrote: Speaking of Splunk; is that really the tool of choice? On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 5:46 PM, Bacon Zombie baconzom...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: Prism continued

2013-06-12 Thread Jeff Kell
On 6/12/2013 7:59 PM, Mike Hale wrote: It would make sense. It's a friggin' sick syslog analyzer. Expensive as hell, but awesome. Compare it to most any other SIEM (ArcSight?) and it's a bargain. But still, yeah. Jeff

Re: Prism continued

2013-06-12 Thread Scott Weeks
--- eyeronic.des...@gmail.com wrote: From: Mike Hale eyeronic.des...@gmail.com Splunk It would make sense. It's a friggin' sick syslog analyzer. Expensive as hell, but awesome. -- So is tail -f /var/log/router.log | egrep -v

Re: Prism continued

2013-06-12 Thread Phil Fagan
And a basic front-end and your in business!! On Jun 12, 2013 6:15 PM, Scott Weeks sur...@mauigateway.com wrote: --- eyeronic.des...@gmail.com wrote: From: Mike Hale eyeronic.des...@gmail.com Splunk It would make sense. It's a friggin' sick syslog analyzer. Expensive as hell, but

Re: Prism continued

2013-06-12 Thread Doug Barton
On 06/12/2013 05:13 PM, Scott Weeks wrote: cat /var/log/router.log | egrep -v 'term1|term2|term3' | less Prototypical useless use of cat :)

Re: Prism continued

2013-06-12 Thread Scott Weeks
--- do...@dougbarton.us wrote: From: Doug Barton do...@dougbarton.us On 06/12/2013 05:13 PM, Scott Weeks wrote: cat /var/log/router.log | egrep -v 'term1|term2|term3' | less Prototypical useless use of cat :) - What would you use and

Re: Prism continued

2013-06-12 Thread Scott Weeks
On Jun 12, 2013, at 9:01 PM, Scott Weeks sur...@mauigateway.com wrote: --- do...@dougbarton.us wrote: From: Doug Barton do...@dougbarton.us On 06/12/2013 05:13 PM, Scott Weeks wrote: cat /var/log/router.log | egrep -v 'term1|term2|term3' | less Prototypical useless use of cat :)

Re: Prism continued

2013-06-12 Thread Chip Marshall
On 2013-06-12, Phil Fagan philfa...@gmail.com sent: Speaking of Splunk; is that really the tool of choice? I've been hearing a lot of good things about logstash these days too, if you prefer the open source route. http://logstash.net/ -- Chip Marshall c...@2bithacker.net

Re: Prism continued

2013-06-12 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Thu, 13 Jun 2013 00:46:27 +0100, Bacon Zombie said: There is no way they could of paid for all the Splunk licencing costs which the budget quoted before That's assuming they paid full list price. Ask the ex-CEO of Qwest what happens if you try to turn down an offer the NSA makes you. :)

Re: Prism continued

2013-06-12 Thread Paul Ferguson
On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 6:30 PM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: Ask the ex-CEO of Qwest what happens if you try to turn down an offer the NSA makes you. :) +1 - ferg -- Fergie, a.k.a. Paul Ferguson fergdawgster(at)gmail.com

Re: Prism continued

2013-06-12 Thread Jonathan Lassoff
Logstash and Splunk are both wonderful, in my experience. What sets them apart from just a plain grep(1) is that they build an index that points keywords to to logging events (lines). What if you're looking for events related to a specific interface or LSP? Not a problem with a modest log

Re: Prism continued

2013-06-12 Thread Charles Wyble
Decent frontend... hmm... grep --color Monies please! Phil Fagan philfa...@gmail.com wrote: And a basic front-end and your in business!! On Jun 12, 2013 6:15 PM, Scott Weeks sur...@mauigateway.com wrote: --- eyeronic.des...@gmail.com wrote: From: Mike Hale eyeronic.des...@gmail.com

Re: Prism continued

2013-06-12 Thread Charles Wyble
Also checkout kibana.org for a rather splunk like experience. Chip Marshall c...@2bithacker.net wrote: On 2013-06-12, Phil Fagan philfa...@gmail.com sent: Speaking of Splunk; is that really the tool of choice? I've been hearing a lot of good things about logstash these days too, if you prefer