Re: Best practice for BGP session/ full routes for customer

2014-07-17 Thread Mark Tinka
On Monday, July 14, 2014 07:32:43 PM Jeff Tantsura wrote: > Mark, > > BGP to RIB filtering (in any vendor implementation) is > targeting RR which is not in the forwarding path, so > there¹s no forwarding towards any destination filtered > out from RIB. > Using it selectively on a forwarding node

Re: Net Neutrality...

2014-07-17 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 7/16/2014 1:57 PM, Doug Barton wrote: On 07/16/2014 08:45 AM, Eric Brunner-Williams wrote: On 7/16/14 7:50 AM, Fred Baker (fred) wrote: Relevant article by former FCC Chair http://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2014/07/14/this-is-why-the-government-should-never-control-the-interne

Re: Net Neutrality...

2014-07-17 Thread Michael Thomas
On 7/17/14, 2:15 PM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: /me makes popcorn and waits for 4K displays to drop under US$1K and watch the network providers completely lose their shit http://www.amazon.com/Seiki-SE39UY04-39-Inch-Ultra-120Hz/dp/B00DOPGO2G $339! I use it for doing dev. It's *fabul

Re: Net Neutrality...

2014-07-17 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Tue, 15 Jul 2014 13:08:58 -0600, Brett Glass said: > Estimates of the maximum bandwidths of all the human senses, combined, > range between the capacity of a T1 line (at the low end) and > about 4 Mbps (at the high end). A human being simply is not wired to > accept more input. (Yes, machines c

Re: Net Neutrality...

2014-07-17 Thread Owen DeLong
On Jul 15, 2014, at 08:19 , Naslund, Steve wrote: > I don't believe either of those points. I will grant you that the LECs are > near monopolies in some rural areas, but these are few and far between. Yes, > a LEC may control the last mile but I can usually get circuits from a lot of > carr

Re: Verizon Public Policy on Netflix

2014-07-17 Thread Barry Shein
I meant that comment as more of a snark that if someone wants to argue let's let the market take care of it then first we should reign in the govt-issued monopolies and small-N oligopolies. I just read, I could dig it up, that about 1/3 of all broadband users have one and only one provider, abou

Re: Verizon Public Policy on Netflix

2014-07-17 Thread Jima
On Thu, July 10, 2014 8:01 pm, Jay Ashworth wrote: > Here's a link to a post from VZN's public policy blog, about Netflix. > (...) > > > http://publicpolicy.verizon.com/blog/entry/why-is-netflix-buffering-dispelling-the-congestion-myth And today, Level 3 responds: http://blog.level3.com/global

Re: Verizon Public Policy on Netflix

2014-07-17 Thread Eliot Lear
On 7/13/14, 5:30 PM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: > I've got a 50 pound bag of Purina Troll Chow to get rid of, so I'll opine > that a user on The World was more "on the internet" than your average > person stuck behind a NAT. And the most appropriate description of those > poor souls who are do

Re: Net Neutrality...

2014-07-17 Thread Ray Soucy
"In truth, however, market failures like these have never happened, and nothing is broken that needs fixing." Prefixing a statement with "in truth" doesn't actually make it true, Bob. On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 10:50 AM, Fred Baker (fred) wrote: > Relevant article by former FCC Chair > > http://ww

Re: Inevitable death, was Re: Verizon Public Policy on Netflix

2014-07-17 Thread Jared Mauch
On Jul 15, 2014, at 9:48 PM, George Herbert wrote: >> On Jul 15, 2014, at 5:02 PM, Brett Glass wrote: >> >> At 05:10 PM 7/15/2014, George Herbert wrote: >> >>> Layer3 runs right through Laramie. With a redundant run slightly south. >>> What conversations have you had with them?... >> >> At

Re: Inevitable death, was Re: Verizon Public Policy on Netflix

2014-07-17 Thread Owen DeLong
When was the last time you did an ARIN request for resources for a large or x-large provider? I have reasonably recent (<2 years ago) experience doing requests for XX-Small, X-Small, Small, Large, and X-Large organizations, including 2 organizations that qualified for /24s (the max size for a l

Re: Inevitable death, was Re: Verizon Public Policy on Netflix

2014-07-17 Thread Owen DeLong
On Jul 14, 2014, at 23:24 , Matt Palmer wrote: > On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 10:05:21PM -0600, Brett Glass wrote: >> At 09:40 PM 7/14/2014, John Curran wrote: >> >>> Myself, I'd call such fees to be uniform, >> >> Ah, but they are not. Smaller providers pay more per IP address than larger >> one

Re: Inevitable death, was Re: Verizon Public Policy on Netflix

2014-07-17 Thread Owen DeLong
On Jul 14, 2014, at 21:21 , Brett Glass wrote: > Mike: > > An ASN is, literally, just a number. One that's used by a very awkward and > primitive routing system that requires constant babysitting and tweaking and, > after lo these many years, still doesn't deliver the security or robustness

Re: Best practice for BGP session/ full routes for customer

2014-07-17 Thread Nick Hilliard
On 14/07/2014 18:32, Jeff Tantsura wrote: > BGP to RIB filtering (in any vendor implementation) is targeting RR which > is not in the forwarding path, so there¹s no forwarding towards any > destination filtered out from RIB. > Using it selectively on a forwarding node is error prone and in case of

Re: Verizon Public Policy on Netflix

2014-07-17 Thread Owen DeLong
> Let Comcast, TW, AT&T, Verizon, etc relinquish their monopoly > protections and then perhaps we can see something resembling a free > and open business climate evolve. Even that would deny that they > already have become vast and powerful on these govt-mandated > sinecures. The problem with this

Re: Verizon Public Policy on Netflix

2014-07-17 Thread Owen DeLong
On Jul 14, 2014, at 08:17 , Dave Crocker wrote: > On 7/12/2014 3:19 PM, Barry Shein wrote: >> On July 12, 2014 at 12:08 ra...@psg.com (Randy Bush) wrote: >>> or are you equating shell access with isp? that would be novel. unix >>> shell != internet. >> >> You mean when you sat at a unix shell

Re: Verizon Public Policy on Netflix

2014-07-17 Thread Baldur Norddahl
On 17 July 2014 00:57, Owen DeLong wrote: > If Netflix had a closed or limited peering policy, then I'd say "shame on > Netlfix". If Netflix only peered > in an exchange point or two near corporate HQ and didn't have an extensive > nationwide network, I'd > say shame on Netflix. Reality is that N