Re: Here comes iOS 8...

2014-09-17 Thread Grant Ridder
My reference was the update page in settings said the download was 1.1 gig Grant Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 17, 2014, at 7:04 PM, JoeSox wrote: > > Grant, > Do you have a reference? Someone just told me it is more around 5GB. > > -- > Later, Joe > > On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 10:31 AM, Grant

Re: Here comes iOS 8...

2014-09-17 Thread Bill Woodcock
Slight differences depending on platform. For my 5S, the OTA patch is 1.1GB, and the clean install is 2.05GB. Both compressed, of course. -Bill > On Sep 17, 2014, at 19:15, "Alexander Neilson" > wrote: > > According to devices I have seen numbers have been between 800M

Re: Here comes iOS 8...

2014-09-17 Thread JoeSox
Someone just told me its 5GB free space needed. That makes sense where someone could have read it wrong. Thanks. 5GB for for iphone seemed a bit odd. -- Later, Joe On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 7:04 PM, JoeSox wrote: > Grant, > Do you have a reference? Someone just told me it is more around 5GB. > > -

Re: Here comes iOS 8...

2014-09-17 Thread Alexander Neilson
According to devices I have seen numbers have been between 800MB and 1.3GB iPhone 4S, iPhone 5, iPad 2 (3G), iPad Air (LTE) Regards Alexander Alexander Neilson Neilson Productions Limited alexan...@neilson.net.nz 021 329 681 022 456 2326 On 18/09/2014, at 2:04 pm, JoeSox wrote: > Grant, > Do

Re: Here comes iOS 8...

2014-09-17 Thread Bryan Horstmann-Allen
+-- | On 2014-09-17 19:04:13, JoeSox wrote: | | Do you have a reference? Someone just told me it is more around 5GB. The download is 1.1GB. 5.6GB is required for the actual upgrade. -- bdha

Re: Here comes iOS 8...

2014-09-17 Thread Paul S.
Later, I think it requires 5.7G of free space on the device -- but the download is not that big. On 9/18/2014 午前 11:04, JoeSox wrote: Grant, Do you have a reference? Someone just told me it is more around 5GB. -- Later, Joe On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 10:31 AM, Grant Ridder wrote: For those

Re: Here comes iOS 8...

2014-09-17 Thread JoeSox
Grant, Do you have a reference? Someone just told me it is more around 5GB. -- Later, Joe On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 10:31 AM, Grant Ridder wrote: > For those that are curious, it looks like the download is 1.1 gigs. > > -Grant > > On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 10:04 AM, Nick Olsen wrote: > > > I've be

Re: Bare TLD resolutions

2014-09-17 Thread Owen DeLong
On Sep 17, 2014, at 6:01 PM, Jimmy Hess wrote: > On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 11:09 AM, Jay Ashworth wrote: > >> The latter would seem to be avoidable by making sure that *DNS resolution >> of bare TLDs always returns NXDOMAIN*. > [snip] > > Not NXDOMAIN.When TLD. is looked up, they should

Re: Bare TLD resolutions

2014-09-17 Thread Jimmy Hess
On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 11:09 AM, Jay Ashworth wrote: > The latter would seem to be avoidable by making sure that *DNS resolution > of bare TLDs always returns NXDOMAIN*. [snip] Not NXDOMAIN.When TLD. is looked up, they should always return NOERROR. And yield, either (1) the NS recor

Re: Scotland ccTLD?

2014-09-17 Thread Matt Palmer
On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 10:02:45AM +0200, Tei wrote: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_3166-1_alpha-2#Decoding_table > > GO [...] seems to be free :D 1600 Amphitheatre Parkway... the newest independent state. - Matt

Re: Bare TLD resolutions

2014-09-17 Thread Andrew Sullivan
On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 07:39:08AM +1000, Mark Andrews wrote: > You want gethostbyname, getaddrinfo to return HOST_NOT_FOUND/EAI_NONAME I was unaware that getaddrinfo returned "NXDOMAIN", which is what I read in the thread being talked about. Not return values from the OS calls. I guess I misse

Re: Bare TLD resolutions

2014-09-17 Thread Masataka Ohta
Doug Barton wrote: > In the case > you specify you get the combination of NOANSWER + NOERROR > if there is no address record, but there are other records > (like there are at a zone apex). valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: > NXDOMAIN means "There are no records of *any* type at that node". Not. T

Re: Bare TLD resolutions

2014-09-17 Thread David Conrad
Fred, On Sep 17, 2014, at 3:04 PM, Fred Baker (fred) wrote: > IMHO, since ICANN has created the situation, ICANN has created ill-specified domain search path heuristics and truly fascinating implementations of those heuristics? ICANN has caused people to use non-allocated TLDs in environment

Re: Bare TLD resolutions

2014-09-17 Thread Mark Andrews
In message <21906507.2046.1410990673107.javamail.r...@benjamin.baylink.com>, Ja y Ashworth writes: > - Original Message - > > From: "Mark Andrews" > > > Search lists are for hosts and host like things. Resolver libraries > > have different interfaces for different purposes. Single label

Re: Bare TLD resolutions

2014-09-17 Thread Fred Baker (fred)
IMHO, since ICANN has created the situation, the ball is in ICANN’s court to say how this works without disrupting name services. Their ill-informed hipshot is not our emergency. On Sep 17, 2014, at 9:09 AM, Jay Ashworth wrote: > Pursuant to > > https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/name-col

Re: Bare TLD resolutions

2014-09-17 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - > From: "Doug Barton" > > I want to return NXDOMAIN *because there is no record of that type > > at that node*. > > > > That was the underlying point here; I thought that was pretty clear. > > But that's not what NXDOMAIN means. :) You get an NXDOMAIN response > when

Re: [VoiceOps] ITFS Term vendor question

2014-09-17 Thread Jay Ashworth
Original Message - > From: "Nick Crocker" > Can someone shed some light on how you might be accomplishing this, I have > a hard time believing that customers are being told they cannot dial TF > numbers in their own country. In the US, it's always been my understanding that what we call

Re: Bare TLD resolutions

2014-09-17 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 17:48:58 -0400, Jay Ashworth said: > I want to return NXDOMAIN *because there is no record of that type at that > node*. NXDOMAIN means "There are no records of *any* type at that node". NOERROR means "There are no records of *that* type at that node (but the node exists and

Re: Bare TLD resolutions

2014-09-17 Thread Doug Barton
On 9/17/14 2:48 PM, Jay Ashworth wrote: - Original Message - From: "Andrew Sullivan" On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 04:57:52PM -0400, Jay Ashworth wrote: - Original Message - No, I was confusing you for someone who understood -- as everyone else here seems to have -- that I meant "

Re: Bare TLD resolutions

2014-09-17 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - > From: "Mark Andrews" > Search lists are for hosts and host like things. Resolver libraries > have different interfaces for different purposes. Single label > hostnames for reaching non local equipment was deliberately phase > out in the 1980's as it was clearly a ba

Re: Bare TLD resolutions

2014-09-17 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - > From: "Andrew Sullivan" > On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 04:57:52PM -0400, Jay Ashworth wrote: > > - Original Message - > > No, I was confusing you for someone who understood -- as everyone else > > here seems to have -- that I meant "querying for an A, , or MX

Re: Bare TLD resolutions

2014-09-17 Thread Mark Andrews
In message <20140917211336.gt89...@dyn.com>, Andrew Sullivan writes: > On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 04:57:52PM -0400, Jay Ashworth wrote: > > - Original Message - > > No, I was confusing you for someone who understood -- as everyone else > > here seems to have -- that I meant "querying for an A

Re: Bare TLD resolutions

2014-09-17 Thread Andrew Sullivan
On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 04:57:52PM -0400, Jay Ashworth wrote: > - Original Message - > No, I was confusing you for someone who understood -- as everyone else > here seems to have -- that I meant "querying for an A, , or MX > record". You want to return NXDOMAIN for a name only when th

Re: Bare TLD resolutions

2014-09-17 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - > From: "John Levine" > >The latter would seem to be avoidable by making sure that *DNS resolution > >of bare TLDs always returns NXDOMAIN*. > > > >Is that a requirement for a TLD? > > No. In fact, a TLD lookup that returned NXDOMAIN would be utterly > broken since t

Re: Bare TLD resolutions

2014-09-17 Thread John Levine
>The latter would seem to be avoidable by making sure that *DNS resolution >of bare TLDs always returns NXDOMAIN*. > >Is that a requirement for a TLD? No. In fact, a TLD lookup that returned NXDOMAIN would be utterly broken since that would mean the TLD had no SOA, no NS, and no subdomains. Perha

Re: Bare TLD resolutions

2014-09-17 Thread David Conrad
On Sep 17, 2014, at 11:08 AM, Eric Brunner-Williams wrote: > On 9/17/14 10:45 AM, David Conrad wrote: >> To be clear, generic TLDs (gTLDs) can’t have bare (dotless) TLDs (or >> wildcards). > um. .museum. … .MUSEUM gave up their wildcard some time ago. Regards, -drc signature.asc Description

Re: Bare TLD resolutions

2014-09-17 Thread Eric Brunner-Williams
On 9/17/14 10:45 AM, David Conrad wrote: To be clear, generic TLDs (gTLDs) can’t have bare (dotless) TLDs (or wildcards). um. .museum. ...

Re: Bare TLD resolutions

2014-09-17 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - > From: "David Conrad" > > A records being returned for bare TLDs *is* formally banned? > > > > (Oh: specifically for cctlds. Got it.) > > To be clear, generic TLDs (gTLDs) can’t have bare (dotless) TLDs (or > wildcards). ICANN has no mechanism by which policy can be

Re: Bare TLD resolutions

2014-09-17 Thread David Conrad
Jay, On Sep 17, 2014, at 10:36 AM, Jay Ashworth wrote: > We're talking, largely, about error cases *that used to break as you wanted, > and now might not*. Yep. Well, it used to break if you happened to be using the right version of resolver library. There have been cases where operating syst

Re: Bare TLD resolutions

2014-09-17 Thread Doug Barton
On 9/17/14 10:36 AM, Jay Ashworth wrote: A records being returned for bare TLDs*is* formally banned? (Oh: specifically for cctlds. Got it.) No, ICANN doesn't ban anything for the ccTLDs. Citation? The gTLD registry contracts describe the fact that they cannot add A records at the zone

Re: Here comes iOS 8...

2014-09-17 Thread Zachary McGibbon
At first we saw traffic going directly to Apple (swcdn.apple.com) via our commercial link, then it went to llnw.net, and now it is going to Akamai. access1-srp#traceroute swcdn.apple.com Translating "swcdn.apple.com"...domain server (132.206.44.21) [OK] Type escape sequence to abort. Tracing the

Re: Bare TLD resolutions

2014-09-17 Thread Jay Ashworth
Original Message - > From: "David Conrad" > A common case of name collision is driven by the “DNS search path”, > e.g., if you have a “search path” of “bar.com;foo.bar.com” and you > type “telnet baz”, _some_ resolver libraries will try to resolve > “baz.bar.com”, if that fails then “baz

Re: Here comes iOS 8...

2014-09-17 Thread Grant Ridder
For those that are curious, it looks like the download is 1.1 gigs. -Grant On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 10:04 AM, Nick Olsen wrote: > I've been waiting all morning. > > Expedited repair of a primary link to prepare for the traffic. Not that it > didn't have multiple backups. But one doesn't trifle

Re: Scotland ccTLD?

2014-09-17 Thread Eric Brunner-Williams
On 9/17/14 9:10 AM, Jay Ashworth wrote: - Original Message - From: "David Conrad" Right. Similarly, .SU has been assigned. SU is a bit odd in the sense that it was moved to “transitionally reserved” when the Soviet Union broke up and a batch of new country codes were created (e.g., RU,

re: Here comes iOS 8...

2014-09-17 Thread Nick Olsen
I've been waiting all morning. Expedited repair of a primary link to prepare for the traffic. Not that it didn't have multiple backups. But one doesn't trifle with IOS8 release traffic.. If it's anything like IOS7 was.. Nick Olsen Network Operations (855) FLSPEED x106 ---

Here comes iOS 8...

2014-09-17 Thread Zachary McGibbon
So Apple is about to release iOS 8... Have you done anything special to your network setup to accommodate the traffic flood ie traffic shaping rules, cache servers, etc? I heard that Apple Caching servers won't work with this update, so I'm guessing it will be pushed through Akamai servers as is u

Re: Scotland ccTLD?

2014-09-17 Thread David Conrad
On Sep 17, 2014, at 9:10 AM, Jay Ashworth wrote: >> The .SU ccTLD is also a bit odd in that >> it is the only code that does not (officially) have a nation-state >> (and hence a legal framework) behind it. In practice, I believe it >> falls under the Russian legal framework. > > The European Unio

Re: Bare TLD resolutions

2014-09-17 Thread David Conrad
Jay, On Sep 17, 2014, at 9:09 AM, Jay Ashworth wrote: > it seems there are two major potential points of possible collision: > > 1) User network uses "fake" TLD which is no longer fake, and local > resolver server blows it > > 2) User network blows it worse, and tries to resolve a monocomponen

Re: Scotland ccTLD?

2014-09-17 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - > From: "David Conrad" > Right. Similarly, .SU has been assigned. SU is a bit odd in the sense > that it was moved to “transitionally reserved” when the Soviet Union > broke up and a batch of new country codes were created (e.g., RU, UA, > etc.) and then, in 2007 (or

Bare TLD resolutions

2014-09-17 Thread Jay Ashworth
Pursuant to https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/name-collision-2013-12-06-en) mentioned in the Scotland thread... it seems there are two major potential points of possible collision: 1) User network uses "fake" TLD which is no longer fake, and local resolver server blows it 2) User network

Re: Scotland ccTLD? - armchair quarterbacking

2014-09-17 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - > From: "manning bill" > Perhaps a dose of factual information may temper this thread. > If we are talking about ISO-3166-2 - the basis for the CCTLD > delegations, then: > > 1_ Scotland has no say in the country code selected. Am I missing something, or is the Finn

Re: Scotland ccTLD? - armchair quarterbacking

2014-09-17 Thread Doug Barton
On 9/17/14 8:03 AM, manning bill wrote: > Perhaps a dose of factual information may temper this thread. > If we are talking about ISO-3166-2 - the basis for the CCTLD delegations, > then: > > 1_ Scotland has no say in the country code selected. This is not actually true. We have prior art on co

Re: Scotland ccTLD? - armchair quarterbacking

2014-09-17 Thread Eric Brunner-Williams
well, apropos to point #2, the iso3166/ma includes representatives from ten agencies, of which a certain 501(c)(3) originally in marina del rey, now in los angeles, is included. however, i can't imagine staff offering an opinion of record on the subject. "ay" for "aye" would work for me. -e On

Re: Scotland ccTLD? - armchair quarterbacking

2014-09-17 Thread manning bill
Perhaps a dose of factual information may temper this thread. If we are talking about ISO-3166-2 - the basis for the CCTLD delegations, then: 1_ Scotland has no say in the country code selected. 2_ ICANN has no say in the country code selected. 3_ The choice is up to an ISO committee. See:

Re: Scotland ccTLD?

2014-09-17 Thread Jens Link
David Conrad writes: >> A friend told me that .su domains are quite common in windows >> environments after the admins discovered that .local is not a good >> choice. ;-) > > That would be an *exceptionally* bad idea. I agree. On the other hand: People pay me to fix network problems, including

Re: Scotland ccTLD?

2014-09-17 Thread David Conrad
On Sep 17, 2014, at 7:17 AM, Jens Link wrote: > Owen DeLong writes: >> On Sep 16, 2014, at 8:55 AM, Majdi S. Abbas wrote: >>> su is not available. >> I think it is now, since the break up of the Soviet Union. No it is not. > A friend told me that .su domains are quite common in windows > e

Re: Scotland ccTLD?

2014-09-17 Thread David Conrad
Hi, On Sep 17, 2014, at 5:18 AM, David Cantrell wrote: > On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 09:26:24AM -0700, David Conrad wrote: > >> SU is the Soviet Union, now classified as ?exceptionally reserved? which >> IANA treats as available for assignment (other exceptionally reserved codes >> are EU, UK, and

Re: Scotland ccTLD?

2014-09-17 Thread Jens Link
Owen DeLong writes: > On Sep 16, 2014, at 8:55 AM, Majdi S. Abbas wrote: >> su is not available. > I think it is now, since the break up of the Soviet Union. A friend told me that .su domains are quite common in windows environments after the admins discovered that .local is not a good ch

Re: Scotland ccTLD?

2014-09-17 Thread David Cantrell
On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 09:26:24AM -0700, David Conrad wrote: > SU is the Soviet Union, now classified as ?exceptionally reserved? which IANA > treats as available for assignment (other exceptionally reserved codes are > EU, UK, and AC)... Do you not mean *un*available for assignment? They're n

Re: Scotland ccTLD?

2014-09-17 Thread Tei
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_3166-1_alpha-2#Decoding_table VR, GO, ON, NY, ...these seems to be free :D Clearly New York must declare independence. -- -- ℱin del ℳensaje.