> On Oct 21, 2014, at 6:03 PM, Jay Ashworth wrote:
>
> GNOME is probably the linchpin.
>
> But it's not just RH. It's Debian, and by extension *buntu, and SuSE, and
> at least one other major independent parent distro that I can't think of
> just now...
>
> And as far as I know, it's done
it was at ietf-9, while jon and i were discussing the {features|flaws}
of iso3166-1, that another contributor approached us and ... spoke to
the unfairness, as argued by that contributor, of the armed forces of
the united kingdom being excluded from the use (as registrants) of the
.mil namespac
It has been brought to my attention that once again I have done a poor
job of developing a good Subject: line*.
The clip contains good news and I thought a possibly welcome review of
the work involved.
The subject and content made me think this was a video on the
horrible way he had died or
Instead of multiple govs trying to use .gov or .mil, the best idea would be
to collapse .gov under .gov.us and .mil under .mil.us (Much like how other
countries already work).
I don't see that happening as long as the US gov has a say in the matter.
I think .su will be decommissioned long before .
I haven't heard of a Virtual Appliance for Allot. We have used the
appliance for quite some time already but I am looking forward in
replacing it (as soon as possible) due to the poor support in our region.
-nathan
On 10/21/2014 5:34 AM, Skeeve Stevens wrote:
What I'd really love is a vAppl
I don't remember seeing mention of this here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69-qhoS9sSw
h/t Suresh Ramasubramian on Facebook.
(I didn't copy and paste any names--hope I got them right.)
--
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The fact that they are infallible; and,
The fact
On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 09:40:30AM -0400, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote:
On Tue, 21 Oct 2014 14:44:57 +0900, Randy Bush said:
systemd is insanity. one would have hoped that deb and others would
know better. sigh.
It started as a replacement init system. I suspected it had jumped
the shark wh
On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 07:20:12PM -0500, Jimmy Hess wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 8:40 AM, wrote:
> [snip]
> > It started as a replacement init system. I suspected it had jumped
> > the shark when it sprouted an entirely new DHCP and NTP service. And this
>
> Yikes. What's next? Built-
On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 09:40:30AM -0400, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Oct 2014 14:44:57 +0900, Randy Bush said:
> > systemd is insanity. one would have hoped that deb and others would
> > know better. sigh.
>
> It started as a replacement init system. I suspected it had jumped
>
- Original Message -
> From: "Ricky Beam"
> On Tue, 21 Oct 2014 18:29:44 -0400, Jay Ashworth
> wrote:
> > The thing that I don't understand about systemd is how it managed to
> > get *EVERY SINGLE DISTRIBUTION'S RELEASE MANAGER* on board...
>
> It's spelled "Red Hat". Add in GNOME and d
On 22/10/14 00:57, Israel G. Lugo wrote:
> Gentoo is about flexibility and choice. It's got a steepish learning
> curve, yes, but the documentation is very good; sadly, much of it was
> lost a few years ago, due to a bad mishap on the community Gentoo Wiki
> server, apparently without any backups.
On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 8:40 AM, wrote:
[snip]
> It started as a replacement init system. I suspected it had jumped
> the shark when it sprouted an entirely new DHCP and NTP service. And this
Yikes. What's next? Built-in DNS server + LDAP/Hesiod + Kerberos +
SMB/Active Directory client an
Israel G. Lugo wrote:
On 10/21/2014 11:59 PM, Tom Hill wrote:
On 21/10/14 23:55, Jay Ashworth wrote:
Ok, but how does it handle providing initscripts? I gather any upstreams
which used to provide them aren't anymore...
It's Gentoo: "You should write your own" is the most likely answer.
Actua
On 10/21/2014 11:59 PM, Tom Hill wrote:
> On 21/10/14 23:55, Jay Ashworth wrote:
>> Ok, but how does it handle providing initscripts? I gather any upstreams
>> which used to provide them aren't anymore...
> It's Gentoo: "You should write your own" is the most likely answer.
Actually, not at all;
On Tue, 21 Oct 2014 18:29:44 -0400, Jay Ashworth wrote:
The thing that I don't understand about systemd is how it managed to get
*EVERY SINGLE DISTRIBUTION'S RELEASE MANAGER* on board...
It's spelled "Red Hat". Add in GNOME and debian (et. al.) is backed into a
corner. Red Hat is soo f'ing
On 10/21/2014 11:55 PM, Jay Ashworth wrote:
> - Original Message -
>> From: "Capi"
Whoops, used the wrong alias to reply.
>> Not *every single* distribution...
> I had meant to put an asterisk on that.
My remark was meant to be tongue-in-cheek :)
> Ok, but how does it handle providi
Probably a lot of it has to do with:
- we're merging udev and a bunch of other things into systemd
- you want GNOME to work, you'd better use systemd
- Canonical (Ubuntu) DIDN'T commit to udev until Debian made the
decision - they would have kept going with upstart, but when Debian
committed, th
On 21/10/14 23:55, Jay Ashworth wrote:
> Ok, but how does it handle providing initscripts? I gather any upstreams
> which used to provide them aren't anymore...
It's Gentoo: "You should write your own" is the most likely answer.
--
Tom
- Original Message -
> From: "Capi"
> On 10/21/2014 11:29 PM, Jay Ashworth wrote:
> > The thing that I don't understand about systemd is how it managed to
> > get
> > *EVERY SINGLE DISTRIBUTION'S RELEASE MANAGER* on board in less than
> > a year,
> > given how thoroughly it violates the U
The thing that I don't understand about systemd is how it managed to get
*EVERY SINGLE DISTRIBUTION'S RELEASE MANAGER* on board in less than a year,
given how thoroughly it violates the Unix philosophy, and how poorly
documented it is -- to the point where you can't even run sysvinit anymore
unless
Philip Dorr wrote:
Could someone comment on why they chose systemd over upstart (other
than the Canonical CLA)? Or point to an article on it?
If you want to wade into the mess, the archives of the Debian Tech.
Committee (https://lists.debian.org/debian-ctte/), for Dec 2013-March
2014, make fo
Could someone comment on why they chose systemd over upstart (other
than the Canonical CLA)? Or point to an article on it?
Christopher Morrow wrote:
On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 4:10 PM, Andrew Sullivan wrote:
On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 03:11:55PM -0400, Barry Shein wrote:
But
for example some of my servers boot in seconds.
One is reminded of a mail, included in the Preface to _The UNIX-HATERS
Handbook_, available at
it
Often presented with an alternate spelling from those of us who
had to live with it.
On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 01:44:17PM -0700, Eric Brunner-Williams wrote:
> >systemd is insanity.
>
> see also smit.
systemd is insanity.
see also smit.
On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 4:10 PM, Andrew Sullivan wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 03:11:55PM -0400, Barry Shein wrote:
>> But
>> for example some of my servers boot in seconds.
>
> One is reminded of a mail, included in the Preface to _The UNIX-HATERS
> Handbook_, available at
it's really not cle
Why not write it in Emacs?
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On Oct 21, 2014, at 12:41 PM, Eugeniu Patrascu wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 4:40 PM, wrote:
>
>>
>> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTg
I have been working with developing systems that boot with Linux for a
number of years on a multitude of distributions and I never saw a problem
with the tools or the process. Purely the lack of standards.
It seems stubborn at the least to propose an opaque software solution when
a simple standard
On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 03:11:55PM -0400, Barry Shein wrote:
> But
> for example some of my servers boot in seconds.
One is reminded of a mail, included in the Preface to _The UNIX-HATERS
Handbook_, available at
http://www.art.net/~hopkins/Don/unix-haters/preface.html. Apparently,
things really a
Wait… Let me see if I understand this correctly…
1. Move fsck functionality into systemd
2. Have it generate opaque binary logs
3. If your filesystem is corrupted in a way that systems can’t repair, you
can’t even read the logs of what systemd saw or did?
Yeah, that sounds like a
On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 3:41 PM, Eugeniu Patrascu wrote:
>
> I think systemd wants to become the next Emacs ;))
Or the next user activity collection point. Systemd really is a
black hole to 99.9% of the people who will use/deploy it... seems
perfect for lots of things.
-Jim P.
On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 4:40 PM, wrote:
>
> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTgwNzQ
>
> When your init system is worrying about cursor rendering, you have truly
> fallen victim to severe feature bloat. I guess Jamie Zawinski was right:
> "Every program attempts to expand until
On Tue, 21 Oct 2014 01:44:57 -0400, Randy Bush wrote:
systemd is insanity. one would have hoped that deb and others would
know better. sigh.
This is exactly the type of shit one gets by letting non-technical people
make technical decisions.
systemd should never have even been on the tabl
I've done a fair amount of hand-to-hand combat with systemd.
When it's good it's good, tho not always apparent why it's good. But
for example some of my servers boot in seconds.
When it's bad it can be painful and incredibly opaque and a huge time
sink.
Googling for suggestions I've found sever
Perhaps they could make a "desktop" version with systemd if the devs want
it that bad, but it'd be a shame if they ruined it for everyone that uses
Debian as a server as well. Haven't installed x on Debian since Etch... o.O
On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 12:44 AM, Randy Bush wrote:
> systemd is insa
On Oct 21, 2014, at 10:33 AM, Sandra Murphy wrote:
>> Folks outside of the US have issues with the US government having a role in
>> the administration of the root, even if that role is to ensure ICANN does
>> screw the pooch.
>
> I'm thinking there's a "not" missing here.
For the numerous pe
On 10/21/2014 01:33 PM, Sandra Murphy wrote:
On Oct 21, 2014, at 11:08 AM, David Conrad wrote:
On Oct 20, 2014, at 10:18 PM, Barry Shein wrote:
Not that anyone is looking for a solution but I suppose one possible
solution would be to use the two-letter cctld then gov like
parliament.uk.gov
On Oct 21, 2014, at 11:08 AM, David Conrad wrote:
> On Oct 20, 2014, at 10:18 PM, Barry Shein wrote:
>> Not that anyone is looking for a solution but I suppose one possible
>> solution would be to use the two-letter cctld then gov like
>> parliament.uk.gov or parliament.ca.gov etc.
>>
>> No do
The fact that you think I'm commenting about you at all is illuminating :)
On 10/20/14 9:52 PM, Eric Brunner-Williams wrote:
i won't comment on your experience, having no direct knowledge. why you
comment on mine is uninteresting.
-e
On 10/20/14 9:03 PM, Doug Barton wrote:
On 10/20/14 7:47 P
On 10/20/14 10:44 PM, Jared Mauch wrote:
I’ve had operational issues introduced by *TLD operators and choices they made.
When that happens, report them to ICANN's SSAC. They take the
"Stability" part of their name seriously.
That said, new TLDs are not going away, so operations needs to take
I was actually not aware of this. I've been told that systemd also
includes fsck's functionality (or is planning to?). That just seems
absurd to me.
I didn't really have a strong opinion on either side of this yet. Seeing
the replies from other people here, though, and reading some more about
it,
On 10/21/14 8:08 AM, David Conrad wrote:
Folks outside of the US have issues with the US government having a
role in the administration of the root, even if that role is to
ensure ICANN does screw the pooch.
Freudian slip, David? :)
Doug
On Oct 20, 2014, at 10:18 PM, Barry Shein wrote:
> Not that anyone is looking for a solution but I suppose one possible
> solution would be to use the two-letter cctld then gov like
> parliament.uk.gov or parliament.ca.gov etc.
>
> No doubt there would be some collisions but probably not too seri
On 10/21/14 12:52 +0200, Stephan Alz wrote:
If my vendor class identifier contains lets say:
"motorola.fw0512.5112" string, send it to DHCP server 1 on ip 192.168.1.1
"cisco.fw06411.111"string, send it to DHCP server 2 on ip 172.16.15.44
The existent relay agents (isc-relay, dhcp-helper)
We've used a few over the years. We had Packeteer Packetshapers
originally but they became way too expensive once Bluecoat acquired
them. $50,000 for an appliance to shape a 1 gig pipe. IIRC,$10,000 per
year on maintenance at the time. These prices are after discount.We
looked at the following
Hello Folks,
I looking for an opensource project (can be a modification of the original
isc-relay agent), which able to send packets to different DHCP servers based on
DHCP options such as:
The Vendor Class Identifier (Option 60)
Vendor Class Identifier (Option 60) can be used by DHCP clients
Procera is probably the best product for real DPI. The key is the
signatures. It matches everything so granular it's simply fantastic.
Right down to what update you're grabbing for your iPhone.
As was said, you'll be paying for it.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote:
On Tue, 21 Oct 2014 14:44:57 +0900, Randy Bush said:
systemd is insanity. one would have hoped that deb and others would
know better. sigh.
It started as a replacement init system. I suspected it had jumped
the shark when it sprouted an entirely new DHCP and NT
On Tue, 21 Oct 2014 14:44:57 +0900, Randy Bush said:
> systemd is insanity. one would have hoped that deb and others would
> know better. sigh.
It started as a replacement init system. I suspected it had jumped
the shark when it sprouted an entirely new DHCP and NTP service. And this
was confi
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