Re: Whats' a good product for a high-density Wireless network setup?

2015-06-20 Thread Mike Lyon
Waaay to many variables to answer the question. Each deployment is different and requires proper engineering and experience... -Mike On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 11:50 PM, Mike Hale wrote: > A lot. It's a good point, but not very helpful to those engineers trying > to design said infrastructure. >

Re: Whats' a good product for a high-density Wireless network setup?

2015-06-20 Thread Mike Hale
A lot. It's a good point, but not very helpful to those engineers trying to design said infrastructure. On Jun 20, 2015 11:45 PM, "Randy Bush" wrote: > > Soultimately, what's the answer? A huge number of low cost, low > > power WAPs? Eager readers want to know. :) > > what was unclear

Re: Whats' a good product for a high-density Wireless network setup?

2015-06-20 Thread Randy Bush
> Soultimately, what's the answer? A huge number of low cost, low > power WAPs? Eager readers want to know. :) what was unclear about the following? Randy Bush wrote: > From: Randy Bush > Subject: Re: Whats' a good product for a high-density Wireless network setup? > To: Mike Lyon > C

Re: Whats' a good product for a high-density Wireless network setup?

2015-06-20 Thread Mike Hale
Soultimately, what's the answer? A huge number of low cost, low power WAPs? Eager readers want to know. :) On Jun 20, 2015 10:30 PM, "Randy Bush" wrote: > > My understanding is that the most recent NANOG had issues with clients > > picking channels sequentially vs by signal strength. Th

Re: REMINDER: LEAP SECOND

2015-06-20 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Sat, 20 Jun 2015 19:06:29 -0400, Jay Ashworth said: > - Original Message - > > From: "Valdis Kletnieks" > > I wonder how many of us are old enough to remember what that environment > > variable *used* to be called before political correctness became > > important. > > There are so many

Re: Whats' a good product for a high-density Wireless network setup?

2015-06-20 Thread Randy Bush
> My understanding is that the most recent NANOG had issues with clients > picking channels sequentially vs by signal strength. There may have > been other issues but when all devices use 149 because that's the > first they can and they get link that's not good. we're lucky those mean vicious bad

Re: Whats' a good product for a high-density Wireless network setup?

2015-06-20 Thread Jeremy Bresley
On 6/20/2015 11:32 PM, Randy Bush wrote: My understanding is that the most recent NANOG had issues with clients picking channels sequentially vs by signal strength. There may have been other issues but when all devices use 149 because that's the first they can and they get link that's not good.

Re: Whats' a good product for a high-density Wireless network setup?

2015-06-20 Thread Randy Bush
> My understanding is that the most recent NANOG had issues with clients > picking channels sequentially vs by signal strength. There may have > been other issues but when all devices use 149 because that's the > first they can and they get link that's not good. > > If people know of tricks to sol

Re: Whats' a good product for a high-density Wireless network setup?

2015-06-20 Thread Mike Hammett
They've been getting 5150 - 5250 approval. DFS, IIRC, has yet to happen. Well, in their AirMax line, of which the UniFi will be similar internally. They didn't have any problem with their airFiber line, which is completely FPGA. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://ww

Re: Whats' a good product for a high-density Wireless network setup?

2015-06-20 Thread Jared Mauch
On Jun 20, 2015, at 7:27 PM, James Hartig wrote: >> The thing you need to watch out for with Ubiquiti is that they don't >> support DFS, so the entire U-NII-2 channel space is off limits for 5 GHz. > > The UniFi UAP-AC unit has not been cleared for DFS but looks like the UAP > Outdoor has. I own

Re: Whats' a good product for a high-density Wireless network setup?

2015-06-20 Thread Jared Mauch
On Jun 20, 2015, at 5:31 PM, Randy Bush wrote: >> I've never run Xirrus personally, but I think they were used for the >> last NANOG conference. > > and how did that work out? [ though i do not know it was the xirrus > units ] My understanding is that the most recent NANOG had issues with clie

Re: Whats' a good product for a high-density Wireless network setup?

2015-06-20 Thread James Hartig
> The thing you need to watch out for with Ubiquiti is that they don't > support DFS, so the entire U-NII-2 channel space is off limits for 5 GHz. The UniFi UAP-AC unit has not been cleared for DFS but looks like the UAP Outdoor has. I own a few UAP-AC v2's and I can confirm with the latest firmwa

Re: Whats' a good product for a high-density Wireless network setup?

2015-06-20 Thread Randy Bush
> Ive used Xirrus for a few festivals and hack-a-thons and they worked great. > > Ive also used UBNT UniFi with great success at numerous events, mainly at > the old SF Mint (completely made out of Granite and concrete) and RF > penetration was awesome. > > Cisco is nothing to write home about an

Re: Whats' a good product for a high-density Wireless network setup?

2015-06-20 Thread Randy Bush
> Ive also used UBNT UniFi with great success at numerous events, mainly > at the old SF Mint (completely made out of Granite and concrete) and > RF penetration was awesome. 'fess up. it worked because of bluebottle next door randy

Re: REMINDER: LEAP SECOND

2015-06-20 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - > From: "Valdis Kletnieks" > On Sat, 20 Jun 2015 11:32:53 -0400, Jay Ashworth said: > > - Original Message - > > > > > - use the posix-right timezone files > > > > What; not posixly-correct? > > I wonder how many of us are old enough to remember what that env

Re: Whats' a good product for a high-density Wireless network setup?

2015-06-20 Thread Mike Lyon
Ive used Xirrus for a few festivals and hack-a-thons and they worked great. Ive also used UBNT UniFi with great success at numerous events, mainly at the old SF Mint (completely made out of Granite and concrete) and RF penetration was awesome. Cisco is nothing to write home about and is over pric

Re: Whats' a good product for a high-density Wireless network setup?

2015-06-20 Thread Ray Soucy
I've actually never made it out to a NANOG conference, so I'm not sure. I was just told this by peers who attended. On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 5:31 PM, Randy Bush wrote: > > I've never run Xirrus personally, but I think they were used for the > > last NANOG conference. > > and how did that work ou

Re: REMINDER: LEAP SECOND

2015-06-20 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Sat, 20 Jun 2015 11:32:53 -0400, Jay Ashworth said: > - Original Message - > > > - use the posix-right timezone files > > What; not posixly-correct? I wonder how many of us are old enough to remember what that environment variable *used* to be called before political correctness became

Re: Whats' a good product for a high-density Wireless network setup?

2015-06-20 Thread Randy Bush
> I've never run Xirrus personally, but I think they were used for the > last NANOG conference. and how did that work out? [ though i do not know it was the xirrus units ] randy

Re: Whats' a good product for a high-density Wireless network setup?

2015-06-20 Thread Hank Nussbacher
At 10:41 20/06/2015 +, Sina Owolabi wrote: http://www.extricom.com/ specializes in hi-density Wifi. See: http://www.extricom.com/category/large-venues http://www.extricom.com/category/Event_Installations -Hank Thanks everybody. I've been corrected on density... I've been informed that it'

Re: VZW - fixed wireless services?

2015-06-20 Thread chris
They also do it on the enterprise side. We have a number of sites with 4G as a backup WAN, we give them the SIM info and they allow us to assign a static v4 IP or they will also give us a 1918 d address and tunnel it back to us. Overall it works good most of the time the only complaint really is th

Re: REMINDER: LEAP SECOND

2015-06-20 Thread shawn wilson
On Sat, Jun 20, 2015, 14:16 Harlan Stenn wrote: > > shawn wilson writes: > > ... I mean letting computers figure out slower earth rotation on the > > fly would seem more accurate than leap seconds anyway. And then all of > > us who do earthly things and would like simpler libraries could live > >

Re: REMINDER: LEAP SECOND

2015-06-20 Thread Harlan Stenn
shawn wilson writes: > ... I mean letting computers figure out slower earth rotation on the > fly would seem more accurate than leap seconds anyway. And then all of > us who do earthly things and would like simpler libraries could live > in peace. Really? Have you looked in to those calculations,

Re: REMINDER: LEAP SECOND

2015-06-20 Thread shawn wilson
On Jun 19, 2015 2:05 PM, "Saku Ytti" wrote: > > On (2015-06-19 13:06 -0400), Jay Ashworth wrote: > > Hey, > > > The IERS will be adding a second to time again on my birthday; > > > > 2015-06-30T23:59:60 > > Hopefully this is last leap second we'll ever see. Non-monotonic time is an > abomination a

Re: Whats' a good product for a high-density Wireless network setup?

2015-06-20 Thread Sina Owolabi
I'd be grateful for any information on how to calculate for large scale wifi deployment On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 2:01 PM Ray Soucy wrote: > Compared to the old model of just providing coverage, it's definitely > higher density. I think the point I was trying to make is that the old > high densit

Re: REMINDER: LEAP SECOND

2015-06-20 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - > - use the posix-right timezone files What; not posixly-correct? Cheers, -- jr ':-)' a -- Jay R. Ashworth Baylink j...@baylink.com Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100 Ashworth & Assoc

Re: Whats' a good product for a high-density Wireless network setup?

2015-06-20 Thread Rafael Possamai
That's interesting, I will take a look. Thanks! On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 7:40 AM, Marco Teixeira wrote: > Rafael, > At some scales, the WiFi standard alone will not cut it... Research on > MERUNETWORKS virtual cell tecnology. I have done a trial with them. All the > others are far behind on densi

Re: Anycast provider for SMTP?

2015-06-20 Thread Rob Seastrom
"Joe Abley" writes: > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-vandergaast-edns-client-subnet-02 > > There are privacy concerns, here. But we might posit that you've > already in the business of trading privacy for convenience if you're > using a public resolver. Personally, I've always thought the p

Re: Whats' a good product for a high-density Wireless network setup?

2015-06-20 Thread Ray Soucy
Compared to the old model of just providing coverage, it's definitely higher density. I think the point I was trying to make is that the old high density is the new normal, and what most on list would consider high density is more along the lines of stadium wireless. I wouldn't really focus on th

Re: REMINDER: LEAP SECOND

2015-06-20 Thread Steve Allen
On Sat 2015-06-20T10:48:17 +0300, Saku Ytti hath writ: > You're right. Hopefully POSIX will become monotonic next year, by removal of > leaps from UTC. Probably not. The ITU-R has outlined four methods for this issue, see http://www.acma.gov.au/Industry/Spectrum/Spectrum-planning/International-pl

Re: Whats' a good product for a high-density Wireless network setup?

2015-06-20 Thread Marco Teixeira
Rafael, At some scales, the WiFi standard alone will not cut it... Research on MERUNETWORKS virtual cell tecnology. I have done a trial with them. All the others are far behind on density. Check their case studies. Em 20/06/2015 13:02, "Rafael Possamai" escreveu: > I don't think there's an actual

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2015-06-20 Thread Rich Kulawiec
[ Tried this over on mailop; no response, so now trying here. ] I've noticed that one of my servers has been unable to establish port 25 connections to hosts such as mx00.emig.gmx.net for over a week...and I'm entirely puzzled as to why, since it only sends a trickle of traffic to a handful of use

Re: SIP trunking providers

2015-06-20 Thread Rafael Possamai
Thanks everyone for your responses. On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 4:40 PM, Rafael Possamai wrote: > Would anyone in the list be able to recommend a SIP trunk provider in the > Chicago area? Not a VoIP expert, so just looking for someone with previous > experience. > > > Thanks, > Rafael >

Re: Whats' a good product for a high-density Wireless network setup?

2015-06-20 Thread Rafael Possamai
I don't think there's an actual standard for density, at least I am not aware of one. Independent of the vendor you use, this guide should be valid at 80% of implementations: http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/products/collateral/wireless/aironet-1250-series/design_guide_c07-693245.html On Meraki's web

Re: Whats' a good product for a high-density Wireless network setup?

2015-06-20 Thread Sina Owolabi
Thanks everybody. I've been corrected on density... I've been informed that it's to be a minimum of 1000 users per building. That's 8,000 users. (8 buildings, not counting walkways and courtyards, admin, etc.) Does this qualify as high-density? On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 5:33 AM Ray Soucy wrote: >

Re: REMINDER: LEAP SECOND

2015-06-20 Thread Saku Ytti
On (2015-06-19 21:53 +), Harlan Stenn wrote: > It's a problem with POSIX, not UTC. > > UTC is monotonic. You're right. Hopefully POSIX will become monotonic next year, by removal of leaps from UTC. -- ++ytti

Re: REMINDER: LEAP SECOND

2015-06-20 Thread Harlan Stenn
Mel Beckman writes: > Harlan, > > This is cisco's recommended workaround, the ultimate conclusion of an exhau= > stive study of all Cisco firmware and after detailed post mortem analysis o= > f two previous Leap seconds: > > https://tools.cisco.com/bugsearch/bug/CSCut33302 Fair enough. And I'v