Re: REMINDER: LEAP SECOND

2015-06-24 Thread Nick Hilliard
On 24/06/2015 04:33, Harlan Stenn wrote: > A clock crystal has to be REALLY bad for ntpd to need to step the clock. or really virtual. Nick

Call for Presentations - DNS-OARC Fall Workshop, Oct 2015

2015-06-24 Thread Paul Ebersman
Apologies if you are on multiple lists and see multiple copies of this email. - The next DNS-OARC Fall Workshop will take place in Montreal on Oct 3rd and 4th, the weekend before NANOG65. DNS-OARC is requesting proposals for presentations, with a preference for DNSSEC work. We are

RES: RES: REMINDER: LEAP SECOND

2015-06-24 Thread Leonardo Oliveira Ortiz
Red Hat recomend update tzdate, this rpm is just for timezones right ? If i won't update it we will have some problem ? -Mensagem original- De: Mark Milhollan [mailto:m...@pixelgate.net] Enviada em: quarta-feira, 24 de junho de 2015 09:19 Para: Leonardo Oliveira Ortiz Assunto: Re: RES

Re: REMINDER: LEAP SECOND

2015-06-24 Thread Matthew Huff
Yes, the clock has to be bad. Been there, done that, especially early Sun x86 servers. Leap years and DST are both things people and developers are aware of outside of technology, leap seconds, not so much. > On Jun 23, 2015, at 11:33 PM, Harlan Stenn wrote: > > Matthew Huff writes: >> A back

Re: REMINDER: LEAP SECOND

2015-06-24 Thread Philip Homburg
In your letter dated Wed, 24 Jun 2015 08:33:14 +0200 you wrote: >Leap years and DST ladjustments have never caused us any major >issues. It seems these code paths are well tested and work fine. I seem to remember that they were not tested that well on a certain brand of mobile devices a few years

Re: REMINDER: LEAP SECOND

2015-06-24 Thread Tony Finch
Philip Homburg wrote: > > For UTC the analog approach would be to keep time in TAI internally and > convert to UTC when required. This is much less of a solution than you might hope, because most APIs, protocols, and data formats require UT. (Usually not UTC but a representation isomorphic to tra

Re: REMINDER: LEAP SECOND

2015-06-24 Thread Philip Homburg
In your letter dated Wed, 24 Jun 2015 14:05:34 +0100 you wrote: >Philip Homburg wrote: >> >> For UTC the analog approach would be to keep time in TAI internally and >> convert to UTC when required. > >This is much less of a solution than you might hope, because most APIs, >protocols, and data form

Re: REMINDER: LEAP SECOND

2015-06-24 Thread Majdi S. Abbas
On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 08:33:14AM +0200, Tore Anderson wrote: > Leap years and DST ladjustments have never caused us any major > issues. It seems these code paths are well tested and work fine. I've seen quite a few people that for whatever reason insist on running systems in local time z

Re: REMINDER: LEAP SECOND

2015-06-24 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Majdi S. Abbas said: > "Total and utter carnage" is a bit of a stretch. Linux hosts > that ran applications dependant on nanosleeps needed reboots. Note > that this wasn't an issue in 2009, because the poorly tested change in > question hadn't yet been made to the Linux

Re: REMINDER: LEAP SECOND

2015-06-24 Thread Tore Anderson
* Majdi S. Abbas > On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 08:33:14AM +0200, Tore Anderson wrote: > > Leap years and DST ladjustments have never caused us any major > > issues. It seems these code paths are well tested and work fine. > > I've seen quite a few people that for whatever reason insist > on run

Re: REMINDER: LEAP SECOND

2015-06-24 Thread Matthew Huff
Does anyone know what the latest that we can run our NTP servers and not distribute the LEAP_SECOND flag to the NTP clients? > On Jun 24, 2015, at 2:33 PM, Tore Anderson wrote: > > * Majdi S. Abbas > >> On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 08:33:14AM +0200, Tore Anderson wrote: >>> Leap years and DST ladj

Re: REMINDER: LEAP SECOND

2015-06-24 Thread Tore Anderson
* Matthew Huff > Does anyone know what the latest that we can run our NTP servers and > not distribute the LEAP_SECOND flag to the NTP clients? From http://support.ntp.org/bin/view/Support/NTPRelatedDefinitions: Leap Indicator This is a two-bit code warning of an impending leap second to

RE: REMINDER: LEAP SECOND

2015-06-24 Thread Matthew Huff
I saw that, but it says the bits are set "before 23:59" on the day of insertion, but I was hoping that I could shut it down later than 23:59:59 of the previous day (8pm EST). The reason is FINRA regulations. We have to have the time synced once per trading day before the open according to the r

Re: REMINDER: LEAP SECOND

2015-06-24 Thread Tore Anderson
* Matthew Huff > I saw that, but it says the bits are set "before 23:59" on the day of > insertion, but I was hoping that I could shut it down later than > 23:59:59 of the previous day (8pm EST). The reason is FINRA > regulations. We have to have the time synced once per trading day > before the o

RE: REMINDER: LEAP SECOND

2015-06-24 Thread Matthew Huff
That won't work. Being internally sync'ed isn't good enough for FINRA. All the machines must be synced to an external accurate source at least once per trading day. Our plan is to disable our two stratum 1 servers, and our 3 stratum 2 servers before the leap second turnover, but to be 100% safe

Re: REMINDER: LEAP SECOND

2015-06-24 Thread Tore Anderson
* Matthew Huff > That won't work. Being internally sync'ed isn't good enough for > FINRA. All the machines must be synced to an external accurate source > at least once per trading day. That was why I proposed to ntpdate on your (upstream-free since the 29th) NTP server(s) sometime on the 30th. T

Re: REMINDER: LEAP SECOND

2015-06-24 Thread Gary E. Miller
Yo Tore! On Wed, 24 Jun 2015 21:57:28 +0200 Tore Anderson wrote: > If you run your own straum-1 servers, can't you just opt not to > configure "leapfile"? Depends on what your Stratum-1 is syncronized to. Some GPS time sources pass on the leap indicator to NTP. For example, the SiRF-3 GPS, co

Re: REMINDER: LEAP SECOND

2015-06-24 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Gary E. Miller said: > Depends on what your Stratum-1 is syncronized to. Some GPS time > sources pass on the leap indicator to NTP. For example, the SiRF-3 > GPS, connected by way of gpsd, to ntpd will pass on the leap second. Yep, my ancient old SVeeSix has been showing the l

Re: REMINDER: LEAP SECOND

2015-06-24 Thread Stephen Satchell
On 06/24/2015 12:44 PM, Matthew Huff wrote: It looks like the safest thing for us to do is to keep our NTP servers running and deal with any crashes/issues. That's better than having to deal with FINRA. For what it's worth, Red Hat pushed updates to NTP and to TZDATA. You might want to check

Re: REMINDER: LEAP SECOND

2015-06-24 Thread Damian Menscher via NANOG
On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 7:17 AM, shawn wilson wrote: > > > So, what we should do is make clocks move. 9 slower half of the year > (and then speed back up) so that we're really in line with earth's > rotational time. I mean we've got the computers to do it (I think most RTC > only go down to t