Re: Binge On! - get your umbrellas out, stuff's hitting the fan.

You're assuming that people are only using phones with their SIM - those that use a mifi dongle and thus view content on a tablet or laptop will notice We could rate limit traffic from YouTube to 1.5mbps and let the adaptive streaming knock the steam to 480p bit our users with 100mbit

5GHz Wifi [Was: Re: GPON vs. GEPON]

On 9/01/2016 2:48 PM, Baldur Norddahl wrote: But 5 GHz usage is still low because people have a ton of devices that are 2,4 GHz only. Even brand new laptops are sold without a 5 GHz radio. People don't know that they have to check - it is oh but it has wifi and it is brand new, therefore it must

Re: Binge On! - get your umbrellas out, stuff's hitting the fan.

Valid points. The best solution for everybody is the solution most consumers are adverse to, which is usage based billing. Granted, many times the providers have shot themselves in the foot by making the charges punitive instead of based on cost plus margin. Reasonable $/gig for everybody!

Re: Binge On! - get your umbrellas out, stuff's hitting the fan.

This is not a lossless 480p we're talking about, and most Android phones have been through quite a few generations of having at least 720p, if not 1080p or 1440p, and 5" displays. I wouldn't at all be so quick to dismiss that there's no difference. Also, according to

Re: Binge On! - get your umbrellas out, stuff's hitting the fan.

On Sat, 09 Jan 2016 11:12:16 -0600, Mike Hammett said: > Bytes uploaded and\or downloaded. That's all that should matter. Initiated by > you or not. You want to be the one explaining to your customer that the reason they got charged for 20G of unexpected transfer was because their 3 Windows 8

Re: Binge On! - get your umbrellas out, stuff's hitting the fan. [Comcast meter Q]

On 1/9/16, 12:04 PM, "NANOG on behalf of Robert Webb" wrote: >Unfortunately, providers like Comcast, yes, I know they aren't wireless, >but their usage meter is a joke and a proprietary based joke at that. I >do not think I have ever seen

Re: Binge On! - get your umbrellas out, stuff's hitting the fan.

So you are all for supporting having to pay for data the bloatware programs, installed by most all providers, which most consumers do not want or use? When providers start putting out equipment that has the pure phone OS installed, not the bloatware laden crap that is sold today, then I might

Re: Binge On! - get your umbrellas out, stuff's hitting the fan.

The normal consumer has no way to correlate what the "real" cost is as the providers keep their "costs" for bandwidth, transit, etc. proprietary secrets and always lie to the consumer and muddy the picture of what the ISP actually pays for regarding bits! Additionally, until there can be

Re: Binge On! - get your umbrellas out, stuff's hitting the fan.

The cost to the provider is irrelevant to the consumer. Cost to the consumer is all the consumer should be concerned with. Competition, industry and media would serve as the barometer to sensible or ridiculous pricing. There are a myriad of ways to measure usage. I'm not sure there are any

Re: Binge On! - get your umbrellas out, stuff's hitting the fan.

Unfortunately when it comes to "competition" in the wireless world, even though there are multiple providers, the consumer will always be gouged given the attitude of today's providers to just follow what the other does. In my opinion, kind of a in the public eye form of collusion. So there

Re: Binge On! - get your umbrellas out, stuff's hitting the fan.

On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 5:06 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: > > The best solution for everybody is the solution most consumers are adverse > to, which is usage based billing. Granted, many times the providers have > shot themselves in the foot by making the charges punitive instead of

Re: Binge On! - get your umbrellas out, stuff's hitting the fan.

On Fri, Jan 08, 2016 at 09:11:51AM -0800, Hugo Slabbert wrote: > ...so...you're "optimizing" the bitrate of video traffic for mobile > by lowering it to 1.5 mbps, but don't worry: it's not "throttling". It's not just video. Per comments on Techdirt, this also affects other traffic being

Re: Binge On! - get your umbrellas out, stuff's hitting the fan.

In article <1725530149.7756.1452359589375.JavaMail.mhammett@ThunderFuck> you write: >Bytes uploaded and\or downloaded. That's all that should matter. Initiated by >you or not. As should be obvious to people on NANOG, of all places, mobile networks and fixed networks are different. On a mobile

Re: Binge On! - get your umbrellas out, stuff's hitting the fan.

My point on usage based billing isn't meant to stifle anything, but to provide equitable service to everyone at a fair price. $10/gig certainly isn't a fair price for almost any network. People pay variable rates for water, electricity, gas, food, etc., etc. Is it necessarily a bad thing if

Re: Binge On! - get your umbrellas out, stuff's hitting the fan.

Bytes uploaded and\or downloaded. That's all that should matter. Initiated by you or not. I have never seen or heard of any utility meters being replaced or calibrated. I suppose they should upon reasonable demand, but I've never seen it regularly done anywhere. - Mike Hammett

RE: SMS gateways

Surprised no one has mentioned the Multimodem iSMS: http://www.multitech.com/brands/multimodem-isms Been using it for 5+ years -- first three years the code wasn't stable, needing a reboot every few months, but the latest code has been stable for 2+ years. Frank -Original Message-

Re: Binge On! - get your umbrellas out, stuff's hitting the fan.

Comcast uses a standardized protocol called IPDR for their accounting and if they're still using the same software collector that they were a few years ago it was independently verified for accuracy. IPDR had been part of the DOCSIS protocol for nearly a decade and is publicly documented. Now,

Re: SMS gateways

In article <006501d14b31$7c478e40$74d6aac0$@iname.com> you write: >Surprised no one has mentioned the Multimodem iSMS: >http://www.multitech.com/brands/multimodem-isms > >Been using it for 5+ years -- first three years the code wasn't stable, >needing a reboot every few months, >but the latest

Re: SMS gateways

On Sat, Jan 09, 2016 at 11:23:59PM -, John Levine wrote: > In article <006501d14b31$7c478e40$74d6aac0$@iname.com> you write: > >Surprised no one has mentioned the Multimodem iSMS: > >http://www.multitech.com/brands/multimodem-isms > > > >Been using it for 5+ years -- first three years the

Re: Binge On! - get your umbrellas out, stuff's hitting the fan.

At least Microsoft would get heat for unsolicited downloads. Why does Microsoft (allegedly) think they can download (unwanted or at least unsolicited) software to unsuspecting users computer, just to upsell them, at our expense? 20Gigs per household is a lot of data across a market. If it was

Re: Binge On! - get your umbrellas out, stuff's hitting the fan.

On Saturday, January 9, 2016, Constantine A. Murenin wrote: > This is not a lossless 480p we're talking about, and most Android > phones have been through quite a few generations of having at least > 720p, if not 1080p or 1440p, and 5" displays. I wouldn't at all be so >

Re: GPON vs. GEPON

On 9 January 2016 at 07:45, Josh Reynolds wrote: > You might be surprised... > > > It is hard to be surprised when you have hard numbers. I run a network and unsurprisingly know exactly how much traffic my users cause. That number is currently about 2 Mbit/s peak aggregated