Re: NANOG67 - Tipping point of community and sponsor bashing?

2016-06-18 Thread Pete Mundy
Our DC (granted, not in the US!) charges a one-off fee of $75 to install the XC, which includes the cable too. Terminated to a 1U patch panel at TOR. Only one end pays the 1-off charge (the customer that requested the order). No ongoing charges. No one else rummages in the overheads other than

Re: RPKI implementation

2016-06-18 Thread Mark Tinka
On 16/Jun/16 16:38, Randy Bush wrote: > i am aware of that. my point was that cache purge default might better > be set to cache refresh interval than 60 secs. I would agree with (and in fact, prefer) this protocol. Mark.

Re: 1GE L3 aggregation

2016-06-18 Thread Mark Tinka
On 16/Jun/16 21:36, Baldur Norddahl wrote: > Hi > > If I need to speak BGP with a customer that only has 1G I will simply make > a MPLS L2VPN to one of my edge routers. We use the ZTE 5952E switch with > 48x 1G plus 4x 10G for the L2VPN end point. If that is not enough the ZTE > 8900 platform wi

Re: 1GE L3 aggregation

2016-06-18 Thread Mark Tinka
On 16/Jun/16 22:27, Saku Ytti wrote: > I'm not saying it's bad solution, I know lot of people do it. But I > think people only do it, because L3 at port isn't offered by vendors > at lower rates. A lot of people did it because because there really wasn't a cheap, dense solution until about 2010

Re: 1GE L3 aggregation

2016-06-18 Thread Mark Tinka
On 16/Jun/16 23:24, Baldur Norddahl wrote: > The ZTE 5952E (routing switch) can do L3VPN including BGP. But it is > limited to about 30k routes. It is usable if the customer wants a default > route solution, but not if he wants the full default free zone. Might be worthwhile to ask ZTE to devel

Re: RPKI implementation

2016-06-18 Thread Randy Bush
>> i am aware of that. my point was that cache purge default might >> better be set to cache refresh interval than 60 secs. > > I would agree with (and in fact, prefer) this protocol. i remembered wrongly RFC6810 A client SHOULD delete the data from a cache when it has been unable to ref

Re: NANOG67 - Tipping point of community and sponsor bashing?

2016-06-18 Thread Brandon Ross
On Fri, 17 Jun 2016, Eric Kuhnke wrote: What Randy just wrote is exactly the point I was trying to make in my last email. Some real estate facility owners/managers have got into the mistaken mindset that they can get the greatest value and the most monthly revenue from the square-footage of thei

Re: 1GE L3 aggregation

2016-06-18 Thread Baldur Norddahl
On 18 June 2016 at 13:07, Mark Tinka wrote: > > Our PoPs are connected in a ring topology (actually multiple rings). If a > > link goes down somewhere, or an intermediate device crashes, the L2VPN > will > > reconfigure and find another path. > > Which is what would happen anyway with your IGP if

Re: 1GE L3 aggregation

2016-06-18 Thread Baldur Norddahl
On 18 June 2016 at 13:04, Mark Tinka wrote: > We push IP/MPLS all the way into the Metro-E Access using a team of > Cisco ASR920's and ME3600X's. The value of being able to instantiate an > IP service or BGP session directly in the Metro-E Access simplifies > network operations a great deal for u

Do people even read these? Re: BGP Update Report

2016-06-18 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
On Fri, 17 Jun 2016, cidr-rep...@potaroo.net wrote: TOP 20 Unstable Prefixes Rank Prefix Upds % Origin AS -- AS Name 1 - 202.65.32.0/2128086 0.8% AS10131 -- CKTELECOM-CK-AP Telecom Cook Islands, CK 2 - 110.170.17.0/24 21868 0.7% AS134438 -- AIRAAIFUL-AS-AP Aira & Ai

Re: Do people even read these? Re: BGP Update Report

2016-06-18 Thread Larry Sheldon
You did. -- "Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid." --Albert Einstein From Larry's Cox account.

Re: Do people even read these? Re: BGP Update Report

2016-06-18 Thread Geoff Huston
> On 19 Jun 2016, at 6:05 AM, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: > > On Fri, 17 Jun 2016, cidr-rep...@potaroo.net wrote: > >> >> TOP 20 Unstable Prefixes >> Rank Prefix Upds % Origin AS -- AS Name >> 1 - 202.65.32.0/2128086 0.8% AS10131 -- CKTELECOM-CK-AP Telecom Cook >> Islands

IP and Optical domains?

2016-06-18 Thread Glen Kent
HI, I was reading the following article: http://www.lightreading.com/optical/sedona-boasts-multilayer-network-orchestrator/d/d-id/714616 It says that "The IP layer and optical layer are run like two separate kingdoms," Wellingstein says. "Two separate kings manage the IP and optical networks. The

Re: IP and Optical domains?

2016-06-18 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
On Sun, 19 Jun 2016, Glen Kent wrote: Can somebody shed more light on what it means to say that the IP and optical layers are run as independent kingdoms and why do ISPs need to over-provision? You have a group that runs fiber+dwdm+sonet(or SDH). You have another group that runs IP. When the

Re: IP and Optical domains?

2016-06-18 Thread Randy Bush
> You have a group that runs fiber+dwdm+sonet(or SDH). You have another > group that runs IP. When the IP guys ask "please tell us how the optical > network is designed, and can we coordinate how they're built and btw, we > want to put DWDM optics in our routers", the answer from the > fiber+dw

Re: 1GE L3 aggregation

2016-06-18 Thread Radu-Adrian Feurdean
On Fri, Jun 17, 2016, at 12:43, Saku Ytti wrote: > Last I checked you can't commit/replace configuration in VRP. Has this > changed? Can you give it full new config and expect it to figure out > how to apply the new config without breaking existing? ... later... > Yeah it's best I've seen. 8-10k

AT&T Austin multiple 10Gs hard down, anyone seeing issues as well?

2016-06-18 Thread Nick Crocker
Looking at some sites and hearing chatter of a pretty wide scale AT&T outage in the Austin and surrounding areas. I have two 10Gs one fed out of Pflugerville, TX and one out of Austin, TX with PE's in Austin, TX and San Antonio, TX. Both dropped at the same time and are on diverse fiber routes and

Re: 1GE L3 aggregation

2016-06-18 Thread James Jun
On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 01:04:49PM +0200, Mark Tinka wrote: > > Centralizing is just horrible, but that's just me. The goal is to make > all these unreliable boxes work together to offer a reliable service to > your customers, so making them too inter-dependent on each other has the > potential to

Re: IP and Optical domains?

2016-06-18 Thread Glen Kent
Mikael, Thanks. I was looking at a technical problem. I say this because you may not have this problem when both are networks are being run by the same vendor equipment, say Alcatel-Lucent (or Nokia now). What are the technical problems because of which ISPs need to over-provision when there are I