Re: Recent NTP pool traffic increase

2016-12-20 Thread Damian Menscher via NANOG
On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 6:41 PM, Keenan Tims wrote: > In a similar vein, I've always been curious what the ratio Google sees of > ICMP echo vs. DNS traffic to 8.8.8.8 is... > The more fun question is how many pagers would go off around the world if Google stopped responding

Re: Recent NTP pool traffic increase

2016-12-20 Thread Harlan Stenn
On 12/20/16 9:21 PM, Royce Williams wrote: > On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 8:19 PM, Royce Williams > wrote: >> On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 8:04 PM, Yury Shefer wrote: >>> >>> Google announced public NTP service some time ago: >>>

Re: Recent NTP pool traffic increase

2016-12-20 Thread Royce Williams
On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 8:19 PM, Royce Williams wrote: > On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 8:04 PM, Yury Shefer wrote: >> >> Google announced public NTP service some time ago: >> https://developers.google.com/time/ > > Leap smearing does look interesting as way to

Re: Recent NTP pool traffic increase

2016-12-20 Thread Royce Williams
On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 8:04 PM, Yury Shefer wrote: > > Google announced public NTP service some time ago: > https://developers.google.com/time/ Leap smearing does look interesting as way to sidestep the potentially-jarring leap-second problem ... but a note of caution. I've

Re: Recent NTP pool traffic increase

2016-12-20 Thread Yury Shefer
Google announced public NTP service some time ago: https://developers.google.com/time/ On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 7:29 PM Laurent Dumont wrote: > I do think that the point of the Pool network is to be used by both > > consumers and vendors. And as mentioned before, there

Re: Recent NTP pool traffic increase

2016-12-20 Thread Harlan Stenn
On 12/20/16 7:27 PM, Laurent Dumont wrote: > I do think that the point of the Pool network is to be used by both > consumers and vendors. And as mentioned before, there is a process if > you are a vendor and want to use the pool within a commercial product. I > have 3 NTP servers running and I

Re: Recent NTP pool traffic increase

2016-12-20 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Tue, 20 Dec 2016 18:41:37 -0800, Keenan Tims said: > Better for whom? I'm sure all mobile operating systems provide some > access to time, with a least 'seconds' resolution. If an app deems this > time source untrustworthy for some reason, I don't think the reasonable > response is to make

Re: Recent NTP pool traffic increase

2016-12-20 Thread Laurent Dumont
I do think that the point of the Pool network is to be used by both consumers and vendors. And as mentioned before, there is a process if you are a vendor and want to use the pool within a commercial product. I have 3 NTP servers running and I don't really care who is using it. That said,

Re: Recent NTP pool traffic increase

2016-12-20 Thread Keenan Tims
Better for whom? I'm sure all mobile operating systems provide some access to time, with a least 'seconds' resolution. If an app deems this time source untrustworthy for some reason, I don't think the reasonable response is to make independent time requests from a volunteer-operated pool for

Re: Recent NTP pool traffic increase

2016-12-20 Thread Jad Boutros via NANOG
The Snapchat mobile app does not currently have a need to talk with NTP servers, it was an error. Also, this afternoon we spun off NTP server instances in Australia and South America to help with the load. Thanks, Jad On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 5:34 PM, Tim Raphael

Re: Recent NTP pool traffic increase

2016-12-20 Thread Tim Raphael
Exactly, Also they’re across Android and iOS and getting parity of operations across those two OSs isn’t easy. Better to just embed what they need inside the app if it is specialised enough. - Tim > On 21 Dec. 2016, at 10:13 am, Emille Blanc > wrote: > >

RE: Recent NTP pool traffic increase

2016-12-20 Thread Emille Blanc
Perhaps the host OS' to which snapchat caters, don't all have a devent ntp subststem available? I have vague recollections of some other software (I'm sure we all know which) implemented it's own malloc layer for every system it ran on, for less trivial reasons. ;)

Re: Recent NTP pool traffic increase

2016-12-20 Thread Tim Raphael
This was my thought actually, Apple does offer some time services as part of the OS but it’s becoming common with larger / more popular apps to provide some of these services internally. Look at the FB app for example, there are a lot of “system” things they do themselves due to the ability to

Re: [NANOG-announce] 2016 NANOG Election Results

2016-12-20 Thread Dave Temkin
Hi NANOG Community, Following up from our election in October, the NANOG Board listened to feedback from our members and discussed the potential implications of releasing vote counts. The Board has decided that while we will not publish the individual vote counts from this past election, we will

Re: Recent NTP pool traffic increase

2016-12-20 Thread Gary E. Miller
Yo valdis.kletni...@vt.edu! On Tue, 20 Dec 2016 20:20:48 -0500 valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: > On Tue, 20 Dec 2016 18:11:11 -0500, Peter Beckman said: > > Mostly out of curiosity, what was the reason for the change in the > > Snapchat code, and what plans does Snap have for whatever reason > >

Re: Recent NTP pool traffic increase

2016-12-20 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Tue, 20 Dec 2016 18:11:11 -0500, Peter Beckman said: > Mostly out of curiosity, what was the reason for the change in the Snapchat > code, and what plans does Snap have for whatever reason the NTP change was > put in place? >From other comments in the thread, it sounds like the app was simply

Re: Recent NTP pool traffic increase

2016-12-20 Thread Peter Beckman
Mostly out of curiosity, what was the reason for the change in the Snapchat code, and what plans does Snap have for whatever reason the NTP change was put in place? Beckman On Tue, 20 Dec 2016, Jad Boutros via NANOG wrote: Immediately after being notified that our latest iOS release was

Re: Recent NTP pool traffic increase

2016-12-20 Thread Jad Boutros via NANOG
Thank you Eduardo, You beat me to it. Apple was quick to approve our release with the fix, we should start seeing a decrease in such traffic. On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 2:29 PM, Eduardo Schoedler wrote: > 2016-12-20 16:58 GMT-02:00 Jad Boutros via NANOG : > >

Re: NTT Taipei 3 data center address?

2016-12-20 Thread Job Snijders
On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 02:15:31PM +, Rivera, Alberto wrote: > I am searching for NTT Taipei 3 data center address. Do you have it by > any chance? I'll ping you off-list. Kind regards, Job

Re: Recent NTP pool traffic increase

2016-12-20 Thread Jad Boutros via NANOG
Immediately after being notified that our latest iOS release was causing problems with NTP traffic, we started working to disable the offending code in v9.45. We submitted a new mobile release to the Apple App Store earlier this morning for their review, which should disable these NTP requests. We

Re: South Carolina attempts to repeal Rule 34

2016-12-20 Thread John Levine
In article you write: >Let's call it for what it is. It's a new tax. No, it's just grandstanding. The proposed law egregiously violates the First Amendment and wouldn't last 5 minutes in a court challenge. R's, John

NTT Taipei 3 data center address?

2016-12-20 Thread Rivera, Alberto
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Re: Recent NTP pool traffic increase

2016-12-20 Thread Paul Gear
On 20/12/16 15:18, Laurent Dumont wrote: > If anything comes from this, I'd love to hear about it. As a student in > the field, this is the kind of stuff I live for! ;) > > Pretty awesome to see the chain of events after seeing a post on the > [pool] list! https://news.ntppool.org/2016/12/load/

Re: Recent NTP pool traffic increase

2016-12-20 Thread Jad Boutros via NANOG
We - at Snap - were forwarded this thread just a few hours ago and are investigating. Please email me should you still be looking for a contact for Snapchat. Thank you, Jad On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 9:18 PM, Laurent Dumont wrote: > If anything comes from this, I'd love

Re: Google Global Cache Contact

2016-12-20 Thread Jason Rokeach
Thanks everyone, all set. The form was down earlier today but folks have pointed out an email address for me. On Mon, Dec 19, 2016, 4:15 PM Jason Rokeach wrote: > Hi folks, could a contact for GGC contact me off-list? > > Thank you! > - Jason R. Rokeach >

Re: Wanted: volunteers with bandwidth/storage to help save climate data

2016-12-20 Thread Royce Williams
n Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 6:15 PM, Doug Barton wrote: > On 12/16/2016 1:48 PM, Hugo Slabbert wrote: >> >> This started as a technical appeal, but: >> >> https://www.nanog.org/list >> >> 1. Discussion will focus on Internet operational and technical issues as >> described in the

Re: Recent NTP pool traffic increase

2016-12-20 Thread Royce Williams
On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 12:49 PM, Dan Drown wrote: > Quoting David : >> >> On 2016-12-19 1:55 PM, Jan Tore Morken wrote: >>> >>> On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 01:32:50PM -0700, David wrote: I found devices doing lookups for all of these at the same time

Re: South Carolina attempts to repeal Rule 34

2016-12-20 Thread Stephen Satchell
On 12/19/2016 11:39 PM, Jay Hennigan wrote: > Break out the popcorn. > > http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/local/article121673402.html > "A bill pre-filed this month by state Rep. Bill Chumley would require sellers to install digital blocking capabilities on computers and other devices that

Re: Recent NTP pool traffic increase

2016-12-20 Thread Roland Dobbins
On 20 Dec 2016, at 12:18, Laurent Dumont wrote: > As a student in the field, this is the kind of stuff I live for! ;) --- Roland Dobbins

Re: South Carolina attempts to repeal Rule 34

2016-12-20 Thread Dovid Bender
Let's call it for what it is. It's a new tax. The manufactures/stores etc. wont want to he held liable and they will simply include the cost when selling a PC (does anyone other than us buy one of those these days?) On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 5:26 AM, Tei wrote: > Users are

Re: South Carolina attempts to repeal Rule 34

2016-12-20 Thread Tei
Users are crafty. One user on a network I had to admin use to mail porn has Microsoft Word documents to his Gmail account. So if you want to stop porn, you have to ban file attachments and monospace fonts. Good luck with that. On 20 December 2016 at 09:25, Jippen

Re: South Carolina attempts to repeal Rule 34

2016-12-20 Thread Jippen
So, $20 tax on all computers sold in SC in practice On Mon, Dec 19, 2016, 11:41 PM Jay Hennigan wrote: > Break out the popcorn. > > http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/local/article121673402.html > > -- > -- > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - j...@impulse.net >