Re: Free access to measurement network

2017-12-17 Thread Lee
On 12/16/17, Mike Hammett wrote: > That project was paid for by ARRA funds and ran out. > > The FCC picked up the ball by expanding the scope of its 477 program. That > data is available directly on their site or via some sites like > broadbandnow.com I didn't know about that - thanks. But it ju

Re: Free access to measurement network

2017-12-17 Thread Mike Hammett
Try looking to see what independents might be around the area you're looking at. See if any of them are willing to expand. Many of us are chomping at the bit to expand (with competitive products), but are having a hard time nailing people down. Independents are more likely to have good custome

Companies using public IP space owned by others for internal routing

2017-12-17 Thread Robert Webb
Will anyone comment on the practice of large enterprises using non RFC1918 IP space that other entities are assigned by ARIN for internal routing? Just curious as to how wide spread this might be. I just heard of this happening with a large ISP and never really thought about it until now. Rober

Re: Companies using public IP space owned by others for internal routing

2017-12-17 Thread Matt Hoppes
Had a previous employee or I discovered it on the network segment after we had some weird routing issues and had to get that cleaned up. I don't know why anyone would do that when there is tons of private IP space. > On Dec 17, 2017, at 17:30, Robert Webb wrote: > > Will anyone comment on the

Re: Companies using public IP space owned by others for internal routing

2017-12-17 Thread Richard
On 12/17/2017 04:30 PM, Robert Webb wrote: Will anyone comment on the practice of large enterprises using non RFC1918 IP space that other entities are assigned by ARIN for internal routing? Just curious as to how wide spread this might be. I just heard of this happening with a large ISP and

Re: Companies using public IP space owned by others for internal routing

2017-12-17 Thread joel jaeggli
On 12/17/17 14:30, Robert Webb wrote: > Will anyone comment on the practice of large enterprises using non RFC1918 IP > space that other entities are assigned by ARIN for internal routing? > > Just curious as to how wide spread this might be. I just heard of this > happening with a large ISP and

Re: Companies using public IP space owned by others for internal routing

2017-12-17 Thread Tyler Conrad
I worked alongside a company that used addresses assigned to the Syrian govt for their "guest" network. They were a pretty large org, presumably this was done to reduce risk - firewall rules, accidentally leaking guest prefixes to their internal nets, or just straight-up simplicity. They were in a

Re: Companies using public IP space owned by others for internal routing

2017-12-17 Thread James Downs
> On Dec 17, 2017, at 14:33, Matt Hoppes > wrote: > > Had a previous employee or I discovered it on the network segment after we > had some weird routing issues and had to get that cleaned up. I don't know > why anyone would do that when there is tons of private IP space. Unless there isn't.

Re: Companies using public IP space owned by others for internal routing

2017-12-17 Thread Ca By
On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 5:31 PM Robert Webb wrote: > Will anyone comment on the practice of large enterprises using non RFC1918 > IP space that other entities are assigned by ARIN for internal routing? > > Just curious as to how wide spread this might be. I just heard of this > happening with a l

Re: Companies using public IP space owned by others for internal routing

2017-12-17 Thread Harald Koch
On 17 December 2017 at 17:57, James Downs wrote: > Unless there isn't.. I've worked at more than one company that had used up > all the private space. Then you have the cases where some M&A causes > overlapping IP space. > Or places like Ontario, where the government runs a registry service for

Re: Companies using public IP space owned by others for internal routing

2017-12-17 Thread Jens Link
Matt Hoppes writes: > Had a previous employee or I discovered it on the network segment after > we had some weird routing issues and had to get that cleaned up. I don't > know why anyone would do that when there is tons of private IP space. Excuse 1: "We'll never connect to the internet!" Excus

Re: Companies using public IP space owned by others for internal routing

2017-12-17 Thread james machado
I had a vendor at $dayjob prior to my arrival who assigned all their customers ip space based on the customer number. when i got there all the internal network was assigned space from an company in the middle east. $dayjob didn't have the in-house knowledge to know what was going on and as they ne

Re: Companies using public IP space owned by others for internal routing

2017-12-17 Thread Richard Porter
Robert, I’ve heard of two cases recently, large companies (non carrier/ISP). One company looking to solve challenge with IPv6 and 6to4 and DNS. Also curious how wide-spread this is? Maybe just the kick in the butt for catching the elusive IPv6 unicorn? ~Richard > On Dec 17, 2017, at 3:30 PM, R

Re: Companies using public IP space owned by others for internal routing

2017-12-17 Thread Harry McGregor
Hi, I know of some enterprise IT equipment that does this. It was reserved space at the time it was picked. It does not leak from the box, but every once in a while one of these IPs show up in a customer visible log, and causes confusion. In ways it is better then rfc 1918 space as it has les

RE: Companies using public IP space owned by others for internal routing

2017-12-17 Thread Robert Webb
Apologies for not responding sooner. This came to light with me on a forum where someone posted that they thought it strange that their MTA received an IP that is assigned to the DoD DNIC. Where I work I have the opposite issue. They have a lot of public IPv4 space and only use it internally n

Re: Companies using public IP space owned by others for internal routing

2017-12-17 Thread Shaun
On Sun, 17 Dec 2017 18:24:40 -0700 Richard Porter wrote: > Robert, > I’ve heard of two cases recently, large companies (non carrier/ISP). One > company looking to solve challenge with IPv6 and 6to4 and DNS. > > Also curious how wide-spread this is? Maybe just the kick in the butt for > catchin

Re: Companies using public IP space owned by others for internal routing

2017-12-17 Thread Mark Andrews
> On 18 Dec 2017, at 1:20 pm, Robert Webb wrote: > > Apologies for not responding sooner. > > This came to light with me on a forum where someone posted that they thought > it strange that their MTA received an IP that is assigned to the DoD DNIC. > > Where I work I have the opposite issue.

RE: Companies using public IP space owned by others for internal routing

2017-12-17 Thread Robert Webb
> -Original Message- > From: Mark Andrews [mailto:ma...@isc.org] > Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2017 9:35 PM > To: Robert Webb > Cc: Richard Porter ; nanog@nanog.org > Subject: Re: Companies using public IP space owned by others for internal > routing > > > > On 18 Dec 2017, at 1:20 pm, Ro

Re: Companies using public IP space owned by others for internal routing

2017-12-17 Thread Large Hadron Collider
Missent. Welcome to IPv6, where you have technically-reserved-for-future-use space that should never actually need to be used. Quite likely, you can use something like 440::/16 as your private space, but please don't do that unless you've exhausted the true private space. You're welcome. O

Re: Companies using public IP space owned by others for internal routing

2017-12-17 Thread Eric Kuhnke
some fun examples of the size of ipv6: https://samsclass.info/ipv6/exhaustion-2016.htm https://www.reddit.com/r/theydidthemath/comments/2qxgxw/self_just_how_big_is_ipv6/ On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 7:05 PM, Large Hadron Collider < large.hadron.colli...@gmx.com> wrote: > Missent. > > Welcome to IPv6