Re: Proving Gig Speed

2018-07-19 Thread joel jaeggli
On 7/19/18 1:30 AM, Mark Tinka wrote: > > On 18/Jul/18 23:56, Keith Stokes wrote: > >> At least in the US, Jane also doesn’t really have a choice of her >> electricity provider, so she’s not getting bombarded with advertising >> from vendors selling “Faster WiFi” than the next guy. I don’t get t

issues through CGNat (juniper ms-mpc-128g in mx960)

2018-07-19 Thread Aaron Gould
(please forgive cross-posting between jnsp and nanog.looking for anyone who could help shed light) I moved customers behind MS-MPC-128G (MX960) CGNat boundary a few nights ago. for the most part it went well. with these couple issues. please let me know what you know about this and how to fix.

Re: issues through CGNat (juniper ms-mpc-128g in mx960)

2018-07-19 Thread Matt Erculiani
One of the biggest deal-breakers about the Miltiservices DPC and MPC is that it does not support NAT Transversal (UDP hole punching), which is probably the reason you're having trouble with the PS4 online gaming. It also messes with VoIP too. As for the IPsec issue, im not sure if that would be re

Re: NANOG list errors

2018-07-19 Thread Duane Wessels via NANOG
> On Jul 17, 2018, at 9:24 PM, Andy Ringsmuth wrote: > > Fellow list members, > > The last several days, I’ve been receiving mail forwarding loop errors for > the list. I’ll receive them several hours after sending a message. I’ll paste > the latest two of them below, separated by % symbols

Re: deploying RPKI based Origin Validation

2018-07-19 Thread Mark Tinka
On 16/Jul/18 19:00, Paolo Lucente wrote: > Hi Job, All, > > It is definitely great to see progress on the deployment side! I realize > that there may be some gaps in the network operator toolchain, and this > may be something i'd like to contribute to. > > For network operators to better unders

Implementation plan and dates for NWI5 - Out-of-region ROUTE(6) objects and removal of ASN authorisation for ROUTE(6) object creation.

2018-07-19 Thread Nathalie Trenaman
Dear colleagues, In February 2018, the RIPE Database Working Group reached consensus on NWI-5 - creating out of region ROUTE(6) objects in the RIPE Database. We will soon be making changes to the way out-of-region objects are handled in the RIPE Database. It's important that database users are aw

Re: Comcast outage Southwest Washington?

2018-07-19 Thread Matt Hohman
Seeing the same in one of 6 locations in Clark County. Our Comcast DIA fiber service and all but our east Clark county location are still up and running. Thanks, Matt Hohman Technical Ministries New Heights Church From: 20231464200n behalf of Sent: Wednesday, Jul

Quickstart Guide to IRR/RPSL

2018-07-19 Thread Kenneth Finnegan
Greetings, As part of setting up a new Internet Exchange in Fremont, California, we've been investigating prefix filtering on the route servers based on IRR. Unfortunately, we were not satisfied with any of the existing documentation available online as far as taking a network engineer from "zero

Re: Proving Gig Speed

2018-07-19 Thread Niels Bakker
* mark.ti...@seacom.mu (Mark Tinka) [Thu 19 Jul 2018, 07:08 CEST]: I'm not sure about North America, Asia-Pac or South America, but in Europe, the gaming folk actually peer very well. The problem for us is that is anymore from 112ms - 170ms away, depending on which side of the continent you ar

Re: Proving Gig Speed

2018-07-19 Thread Tei
On 19 July 2018 at 07:06, Mark Tinka wrote: > > > On 18/Jul/18 17:20, Julien Goodwin wrote: > >> Living in Australia this is an every day experience, especially for >> content served out of Europe (or for that matter, Africa). >> >> TCP & below are rarely the biggest problem these days (at least w

Re: Proving Gig Speed

2018-07-19 Thread Mark Tinka
On 19/Jul/18 14:57, joel jaeggli wrote: > There is a point beyond which the network ceases to be a serious > imposition on what you are trying to do. > > When it gets there, it fades into the background as a utility function. I've seen this to be the case when customers are used to buying larg

Re: Proving Gig Speed

2018-07-19 Thread Eric Kuhnke
Mark already knows this, but for the benefit of the North American network operators on the list, **where** in Africa makes a huge difference. Certain submarine cables reach certain coastal cities at very different transport prices, depending on location, what sort of organizational structure of ca

Re: Proving Gig Speed

2018-07-19 Thread Mark Tinka
On 19/Jul/18 17:06, Niels Bakker wrote: >   > > That will happen as soon as it's affordable for them to do so - which > requires an ecosystem of affordable and reliable independent IP > transit/transport and colocation to exist. Agreed, but as experience has shown, those aren't the only consid

Re: Proving Gig Speed

2018-07-19 Thread Mark Tinka
On 19/Jul/18 17:08, Tei wrote: > tl:dr: the web is evolving into a network of applications, instead of > documents. Documents can't "break" easily. Programs may break > completelly even to tiny changes. Maybe getting webmasters on board of > biasing in favor of documents could do us all a fav

Re: Quickstart Guide to IRR/RPSL

2018-07-19 Thread Job Snijders
Dear Kenneth, On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 09:38:23PM -0700, Kenneth Finnegan wrote: > As part of setting up a new Internet Exchange in Fremont, California, > we've been investigating prefix filtering on the route servers based > on IRR. Excellent, have you also considered using ARIN-WHOIS and RPKI as

Centurylink/Level3 Plans

2018-07-19 Thread James Breeden
Does anyone know what the plans or even watercooler chat is concerning Centurylink (AS209) and Level3 (AS3356) integration, direct peering, or continuing separation? We are looking at a IP Transit deal involving one or both networks and while I'd love to have transit routes from both, I don't w

Re: Centurylink/Level3 Plans

2018-07-19 Thread Joseph Jenkins
So the reps/SEs/Techs that I have spoken with are saying they are going to keep them separate. In my case I am tw customer and was worried about their network when L3 took them over. I was even more worried when Centurylink then took over L3 that I was going to lose one of the networks. However I g

Re: Quickstart Guide to IRR/RPSL

2018-07-19 Thread Job Snijders
On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 11:19:12AM -0700, Kenneth Finnegan wrote: > As for ARIN-WHOIS, I think I had gotten confused whether it was > additive or exclusive of IRR objects for allowing prefixes. Indeed, in arouteserver it is 'additive'. Documentation from ARIN is here: https://teamarin.net/2016/0

Re: Centurylink/Level3 Plans

2018-07-19 Thread Brielle Bruns
On 7/19/2018 12:19 PM, Joseph Jenkins wrote: So the reps/SEs/Techs that I have spoken with are saying they are going to keep them separate. In my case I am tw customer and was worried about their network when L3 took them over. I was even more worried when Centurylink then took over L3 that I was

Re: Centurylink/Level3 Plans

2018-07-19 Thread Mehmet Akcin
Remember Global Crossing & Level3 merger? Perhaps look for an option that involves neither There are few good options out there! Mehmet On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 8:14 PM James Breeden wrote: > Does anyone know what the plans or even watercooler chat is concerning > Centurylink (AS209) and Level3

RE: deploying RPKI based Origin Validation

2018-07-19 Thread Michel Py
> Mark Tinka wrote : > but I want to be cautious about encouraging a parallel stream that slows down > the deployment of RPKI. I understand that; if there is an easier way to do RPKI, people are going to use it instead of the right way. However, I think that the blacklist targets a different ki

Re: Proving Gig Speed

2018-07-19 Thread Scott Weeks
--- mark.ti...@seacom.mu wrote: From: Mark Tinka On 18/Jul/18 16:58, K. Scott Helms wrote: > ... What's really interesting is how gaming is changing > and within the next few years I do expect a lot of games > to move into the remote rendering world. You need to > have <=30 ms of latency to

Re: Proving Gig Speed

2018-07-19 Thread Mark Tinka
On 19/Jul/18 22:43, Scott Weeks wrote: > > I know we're talking about Africa and other less well > connected countries, but good luck with that in the > Pacific, which covers about 1/3 of the planet. > > https://oceanexplorer.noaa.gov/facts/pacific-size.html Yeah, things and people tend to w

Re: deploying RPKI based Origin Validation

2018-07-19 Thread Mark Tinka
On 19/Jul/18 21:47, Michel Py wrote: > I understand that; if there is an easier way to do RPKI, people are going to > use it instead of the right way. However, I think that the blacklist targets > a different kind of customer : the end user. We want the enterprise to > certify their prefixes

NTT now treats RPKI ROAs as IRR route(6)-objects

2018-07-19 Thread Job Snijders
Dear NANOG, [ TL:DR - From now on, NTT / AS 2914 allows customers to either register their announcements in the IRR, or as RPKI ROAs. This is a convenience service for relevant regions of the world where IRR is not the norm but RPKI is commonly available. Previously NTT only accepted IRR and ARIN-

Re: Proving Gig Speed

2018-07-19 Thread Scott Weeks
--- mark.ti...@seacom.mu wrote: From: Mark Tinka On 19/Jul/18 22:43, Scott Weeks wrote: > I know we're talking about Africa and other less well > connected countries, but good luck with that in the > Pacific, which covers about 1/3 of the planet. > > https://oceanexplorer.noaa.gov/facts/paci

Re: Proving Gig Speed

2018-07-19 Thread Scott Weeks
--- mark.ti...@seacom.mu wrote: From: Mark Tinka On 19/Jul/18 22:43, Scott Weeks wrote: > I know we're talking about Africa and other less well > connected countries, but good luck with that in the > Pacific, which covers about 1/3 of the planet. > > https://oceanexplorer.noaa.gov/facts/pacif

Re: Quickstart Guide to IRR/RPSL

2018-07-19 Thread Kenneth Finnegan
On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 9:19 AM, Job Snijders wrote: > Excellent, have you also considered using ARIN-WHOIS and RPKI as data > sources for your route servers? An excellent tool to generate route > server configurations is 'arouteserver' http://arouteserver.readthedocs.io/ After the volume of time

Re: deploying RPKI based Origin Validation

2018-07-19 Thread Joshua Vijsma / True
Hi all, Just wanted to share our (AS15703, True B.V.) experience as a hosting provider with enabling RPKI invalid filtering (invalid == reject). We've secured (most of) our routes since 2014 with ROAs but last Tuesday we have deployed filters which reject RPKI invalid routes. We have had two ti