Re: Massive Price Increase for X-conns at Telehouse Chelsea, NYC

2018-09-17 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 9:44 PM Hank Nussbacher wrote: > On 17/09/2018 23:26, Phil Lavin wrote: > >> $350/mo seems to be standard. Our DCs are at $250.Seems more like > they held onto out of date pricing for a long time then realized it. > > For what it's worth, Telehouse London is around 30

Re: Massive Price Increase for X-conns at Telehouse Chelsea, NYC

2018-09-17 Thread Hank Nussbacher
On 17/09/2018 23:26, Phil Lavin wrote: >> $350/mo seems to be standard. Our DCs are at $250.Seems more like they >> held onto out of date pricing for a long time then realized it. > For what it's worth, Telehouse London is around 30 USD/month for an x-connect > within the same building. Our

Re: Massive Price Increase for X-conns at Telehouse Chelsea, NYC

2018-09-17 Thread Ben Cannon
One Wilshire is at $750/mo for XCs. Expect other constrained buildings to head there if not already (PAIX? Can you even get one?) -Ben. > On Sep 17, 2018, at 2:29 PM, Daniel Corbe wrote: > > at 4:26 PM, Phil Lavin wrote: > >>> $350/mo seems to be standard. Our DCs are at $250.Seems

RE: [proj-bgp] adding graphs for actually unreachable RPKI INVALID prefixes to RPKI Monitor?

2018-09-17 Thread Michel Py
Doug, > Montgomery, Douglas wrote : > The new monitor has significant additions in the areas of diagnostics, and > highlights issues of > interest such as path / customer cone analysis of prefixes that cover invalid > originations. Thanks for all the work. More visibility will help. I have

Re: [proj-bgp] adding graphs for actually unreachable RPKI INVALID prefixes to RPKI Monitor?

2018-09-17 Thread Sriram, Kotikalapudi (Fed)
Nusenu, I also found your analysis very interesting and useful. Thanks for that. >What do you think about adding graphs that show the amount of actually >unreachable prefixes and IP space? (prefix where no alternative valid/unknown >announcement exists) I am also part of the NIST BGP team.

Re: Massive Price Increase for X-conns at Telehouse Chelsea, NYC

2018-09-17 Thread Patrick W. Gilmore
On Sep 17, 2018, at 17:51, Nick Hilliard wrote: > Patrick W. Gilmore wrote on 17/09/2018 22:40: >> Expecting any for-profit business (all of them, not just REITs) to do >> less than extract maximum cash is deluding yourself. > oh sure, but price gouging is often bad business practice in the long

Re: Massive Price Increase for X-conns at Telehouse Chelsea, NYC

2018-09-17 Thread Nick Hilliard
Patrick W. Gilmore wrote on 17/09/2018 22:40: Expecting any for-profit business (all of them, not just REITs) to do less than extract maximum cash is deluding yourself. oh sure, but price gouging is often bad business practice in the long term. Humans evolved a strong sense of injustice and

Re: Massive Price Increase for X-conns at Telehouse Chelsea, NYC

2018-09-17 Thread Daniel Corbe
at 4:26 PM, Phil Lavin wrote: $350/mo seems to be standard. Our DCs are at $250.Seems more like they held onto out of date pricing for a long time then realized it. For what it's worth, Telehouse London is around 30 USD/month for an x-connect within the same building. Our US

Re: Massive Price Increase for X-conns at Telehouse Chelsea, NYC

2018-09-17 Thread Ross Tajvar
My current facility (in the Ashburn, VA, USA area) is $25/mo with two for free, but when I was shopping around, most other facilities were at least $300/mo. Certainly not unusual but I agree it's excessive. On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 4:26 PM, Phil Lavin wrote: > > $350/mo seems to be standard. Our

Re: Massive Price Increase for X-conns at Telehouse Chelsea, NYC

2018-09-17 Thread JASON BOTHE via NANOG
Correct. Behold the ‘active riser’. We started doing this years ago in our R network after we were being nickeled and dimes to cross floors between our own cages we leased from the same colo. > On Sep 17, 2018, at 15:23, Ben Cannon wrote: > > fs.com has got this ready to go. Less than

RE: Massive Price Increase for X-conns at Telehouse Chelsea, NYC

2018-09-17 Thread Michel Py
> Patrick W. Gilmore wrote : > Maybe I am confused, but I thought every for-profit business exists to > extract as much money as possible. Especially is said business is potentially in my 401(k) portfolio. I expect them to milk every penny they possibly can out of their customers so my 401(k)

RE: Massive Price Increase for X-conns at Telehouse Chelsea, NYC

2018-09-17 Thread Phil Lavin
> $350/mo seems to be standard. Our DCs are at $250.Seems more like they > held onto out of date pricing for a long time then realized it. For what it's worth, Telehouse London is around 30 USD/month for an x-connect within the same building. Our US datacentre (not Telehouse) on the other

Re: Massive Price Increase for X-conns at Telehouse Chelsea, NYC

2018-09-17 Thread Ben Cannon
fs.com has got this ready to go. Less than that. > On Sep 17, 2018, at 12:54 PM, Joe Maimon wrote: > > > > Ethan O'Toole wrote: >>> If it’s in an interduct by itself, how much would the square footage per >>> month occupied by the average cross connect be worth? >> >> These big datacenter

Re: [proj-bgp] adding graphs for actually unreachable RPKI INVALID prefixes to RPKI Monitor?

2018-09-17 Thread Montgomery, Douglas (Fed)
Job, Thanks for the input, we have a new version of our RPKI monitor that we are in the process of moving from development systems to publicly accessible servers. The new monitor has significant additions in the areas of diagnostics, and highlights issues of interest such as path / customer

Re: Massive Price Increase for X-conns at Telehouse Chelsea, NYC

2018-09-17 Thread Joe Maimon
Ethan O'Toole wrote: If it’s in an interduct by itself, how much would the square footage per month occupied by the average cross connect be worth? These big datacenter companies are REITs. Similar to self-storage units and apartment buildings, they exist to extract as much money as

Re: Massive Price Increase for X-conns at Telehouse Chelsea, NYC

2018-09-17 Thread Patrick W. Gilmore
On Sep 17, 2018, at 15:08, Ethan O'Toole wrote: > >> If it’s in an interduct by itself, how much would the square footage per >> month occupied by the average cross connect be worth? > > These big datacenter companies are REITs. Similar to self-storage units and > apartment buildings, they

Re: Massive Price Increase for X-conns at Telehouse Chelsea, NYC

2018-09-17 Thread Ben Cannon
$350/mo seems to be standard. Our DCs are at $250.Seems more like they held onto out of date pricing for a long time then realized it. -Ben On Sep 17, 2018, at 12:08 PM, Ethan O'Toole wrote: >> If it’s in an interduct by itself, how much would the square footage per >> month occupied by

Re: Massive Price Increase for X-conns at Telehouse Chelsea, NYC

2018-09-17 Thread Ethan O'Toole
If it’s in an interduct by itself, how much would the square footage per month occupied by the average cross connect be worth? These big datacenter companies are REITs. Similar to self-storage units and apartment buildings, they exist to extract as much money as possible from the users.

Re: netflix OCA in a CG-NAT world

2018-09-17 Thread Owen DeLong
> On Sep 17, 2018, at 8:48 AM, Jared Mauch wrote: > > > >> On Sep 17, 2018, at 6:54 AM, Tom Ammon wrote: >> >> I'm looking to understand the impact of CG-NAT on a set of netflix OCAs, in >> an ISP environment. I see in Netflix's FAQ on the subject that traffic >> sourced from RFC

Re: Massive Price Increase for X-conns at Telehouse Chelsea, NYC

2018-09-17 Thread Owen DeLong
If it’s in an interduct by itself, how much would the square footage per month occupied by the average cross connect be worth? I’m not saying I think $300 MRC is legitimate by any means, but, if you’re going to talk about the ongoing costs, the space in the cable ladder and/or fiber tray(s) also

Re: adding graphs for actually unreachable RPKI INVALID prefixes to RPKI Monitor?

2018-09-17 Thread Job Snijders
On Mon, 17 Sep 2018 at 18:38, nusenu wrote: > Dear NIST RPKI Monitor Team, > > thanks for creating and maintaining the RPKI Monitor > https://rpki-monitor.antd.nist.gov/#rpki_adopters > I've seen your graphs in multiple routing security presentations :) > > What do you think about adding graphs

Re: Massive Price Increase for X-conns at Telehouse Chelsea, NYC

2018-09-17 Thread William Herrin
On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 11:30 AM, Daniel Corbe wrote: > $300 MRC for a once-off cross connect isn’t unreasonable. There’s costs > and labor involved in running that cable through a riser. Especially if you > want it in innerduct. Hi Daniel, A $300 Non-Recurring Cost, sure. The MONTHLY

Re: netflix OCA in a CG-NAT world

2018-09-17 Thread Jared Mauch
> On Sep 17, 2018, at 6:54 AM, Tom Ammon wrote: > > I'm looking to understand the impact of CG-NAT on a set of netflix OCAs, in > an ISP environment. I see in Netflix's FAQ on the subject that traffic > sourced from RFC 1918/6598 endpoints can't be delivered to the OCA. Is this > simply a

Re: Level3 IRR contact

2018-09-17 Thread Jay Ford
I had success cleaning up old IRR stuff via email to the contact listed in the AS3561 whois entry. It's a different person listed now, but perhaps they are also interested & responsive. Jay Ford, Network Engineering

netflix OCA in a CG-NAT world

2018-09-17 Thread Tom Ammon
I'm looking to understand the impact of CG-NAT on a set of netflix OCAs, in an ISP environment. I see in Netflix's FAQ on the subject that traffic sourced from RFC 1918/6598 endpoints can't be delivered to the OCA. Is this simply a matter of deploying the OCA on the outside of the CGN layer? What

Re: What NMS do you use and why?

2018-09-17 Thread Andre van Zyl
> > We run Iris - home-grown (South Africa), great support, small/nimble > team that are able to fix issue, add features and give advice. > > Very flexible, captures plenty of data out-the-box, supports a ton of > vendors and data points, e.t.c. > > It's a commercial solution, but not out of

adding graphs for actually unreachable RPKI INVALID prefixes to RPKI Monitor?

2018-09-17 Thread nusenu
Dear NIST RPKI Monitor Team, thanks for creating and maintaining the RPKI Monitor https://rpki-monitor.antd.nist.gov/#rpki_adopters I've seen your graphs in multiple routing security presentations :) What do you think about adding graphs that show the amount of actually unreachable prefixes and

RIR outreach program about INVALIDs (was: deploying RPKI based Origin Validation)

2018-09-17 Thread nusenu
Job wrote (2018-07-16) [1]: > Perhaps the RIRs should start an outreach program to proactively inform > the owners of those 2,200 invalid route announcements to get them to > either fix or delete the RPKI ROA. Since I'm also interested [2] in reducing the amount of RPKI INVALIDs in an efficient

Re: Massive Price Increase for X-conns at Telehouse Chelsea, NYC

2018-09-17 Thread Daniel Corbe
at 10:57 AM, Fredy Kuenzler wrote: Is anyone else affected by a massive price increase for x-conns by Telehouse Chelsea? When we moved in a few years ago they were asking 150$, it changed to 200$ and now we are asked to pay 260$. That's 73% more. I don't think inflation is that high in the

Re: Massive Price Increase for X-conns at Telehouse Chelsea, NYC

2018-09-17 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 9/17/18 7:57 AM, Fredy Kuenzler wrote: Is anyone else affected by a massive price increase for x-conns by Telehouse Chelsea? When we moved in a few years ago they were asking 150$, it changed to 200$ and now we are asked to pay 260$. That's 73% more. I don't think inflation is that high in

Re: Massive Price Increase for X-conns at Telehouse Chelsea, NYC

2018-09-17 Thread Dovid Bender
Still better than what other places charge (*cough* DR. *cough*) On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 10:57 AM, Fredy Kuenzler wrote: > Is anyone else affected by a massive price increase for x-conns by > Telehouse Chelsea? > > When we moved in a few years ago they were asking 150$, it changed to >

Massive Price Increase for X-conns at Telehouse Chelsea, NYC

2018-09-17 Thread Fredy Kuenzler
Is anyone else affected by a massive price increase for x-conns by Telehouse Chelsea? When we moved in a few years ago they were asking 150$, it changed to 200$ and now we are asked to pay 260$. That's 73% more. I don't think inflation is that high in the United states. I get the impression that

Re: Level3 IRR contact

2018-09-17 Thread Eric Dugas
If you find someone helpful at L3/CL for your request, I would like to have its contact (off-list). I've been trying to cleanup old objects too without much success. Eric On Sep 17 2018, at 10:15 am, Brian Rak wrote: > > I'm trying to get some old IRR objects removed from the LEVEL3 database,

Re: Level3 IRR contact

2018-09-17 Thread Tom Hill
On 17/09/18 15:15, Brian Rak wrote: > I used to use routing@level3 to get this done, however they don't seem > to reply anymore. > > http://www.irr.net/docs/list.html directs me to r...@level3.net, which has > an autoreply that says "open a ticket" You may wish to start by swapping the Level3

Level3 IRR contact

2018-09-17 Thread Brian Rak
I'm trying to get some old IRR objects removed from the LEVEL3 database, and not having much luck. Their support guys silently closed my ticket and then had our account manager email us directly basically saying "we don't what you want us to do". I used to use routing@level3 to get this