Re: BGP topological vs centralized route reflector

2019-02-13 Thread Mark Tinka
On 13/Feb/19 20:00, Saku Ytti wrote: > > Main advantage of out-of-path is that you decouple FIB and RIB scaling > requirements and feature requirements. Your backbone device does not > need to be qualified for large RIB or BGP at all. And when you do need > more RIB scaling, you can upgrade

Re: Last Mile Design

2019-02-13 Thread Mark Tinka
On 14/Feb/19 04:41, Colton Conor wrote: > Just wondering, but what IP-capable MPLS switches are people using to > deploy AE to residential internet connections? Most 48 port AE > switches from repetuable vendors are crazy expensive, and I can't see > how the ROI would ever work compared to

Re: Last Mile Design

2019-02-13 Thread Colton Conor
Just wondering, but what IP-capable MPLS switches are people using to deploy AE to residential internet connections? Most 48 port AE switches from repetuable vendors are crazy expensive, and I can't see how the ROI would ever work compared to GPON. On Sat, Feb 9, 2019 at 4:25 PM Mark Tinka

Re: VPS providers contacts

2019-02-13 Thread Mehmet Akcin
I am already and very happy customer On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 17:08 Anthony Leto wrote: > I would recommend NetActuate as well. They really know their stuff! They > helped a company I used to work at immensely with LVS and DNS load > balancing in an anycast configuration. I would use them

Re: VPS providers contacts

2019-02-13 Thread Anthony Leto
I would recommend NetActuate as well. They really know their stuff! They helped a company I used to work at immensely with LVS and DNS load balancing in an anycast configuration. I would use them anytime. Anthony Leto > On Feb 13, 2019, at 12:51 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: > > I highly recommend

Re: skype attack

2019-02-13 Thread Randy Bush
>> Was there meant to be a screenshot or some explanation of what would >> be denied here? > > sorry seems mailing list filters; so it was not my fault. try https://archive.psg.com/skype.jpg randy

Re: skype attack

2019-02-13 Thread Randy Bush
On Wed, 13 Feb 2019 15:06:17 -0800, Hunter Fuller wrote: > Was there meant to be a screenshot or some explanation of what would > be denied here? sorry

Re: skype attack

2019-02-13 Thread Hunter Fuller
On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 2:12 PM Randy Bush wrote: > > an update to skype will pop up and ask you > > > deny. you will have to deny repeatedly. there is no reason in the > world skype should have access to your icloud, contacts, ... Was there meant to be a screenshot or some explanation of what

Re: skype attack

2019-02-13 Thread Randy Bush
> Why not use jitsi meet? i am familiar with jitsi. it's fine. but i am trying to get research done, not teach/preach conferencing to a bunch of researchers. this was just a warning about an attack through a skype update; not meant as a discussion of conferencing technologies or an opportunity

Re: skype attack

2019-02-13 Thread Mattia Rossi
On 14/2/19 9:03 am, Randy Bush wrote: yep. some researchers are still stuck there for con calls. i hate it. Why not use jitsi meet? Free, Open Source, Standards compliant, WebRTC, an instance is hosted by IETF as well... It's actually perfect for researchers.

Re: skype attack

2019-02-13 Thread Randy Bush
> Perhaps (issue created on 6 Dec 2017) relevant: > > https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/skype/forum/skype_accountms-skype_privacyms/skype-suggests-people-from-my-contact-list-to/d8cc03ad-fa15-4de7-8d96-51510615cff4 perms for contact list is one thing. perms for icloud account is another.

Re: skype attack

2019-02-13 Thread David Conrad
Perhaps (issue created on 6 Dec 2017) relevant: https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/skype/forum/skype_accountms-skype_privacyms/skype-suggests-people-from-my-contact-list-to/d8cc03ad-fa15-4de7-8d96-51510615cff4 > On Feb 13, 2019, at 12:11 PM, Randy Bush wrote: > > an update to skype will pop

Re: skype attack

2019-02-13 Thread Randy Bush
>> yep. some researchers are still stuck there for con calls. i hate >> it. > welp, at least the nsa can keep trac in real-time. the nsa is not in the researchers' threat model. this is not that kind of math. randy

Re: skype attack

2019-02-13 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 4:20 PM Randy Bush wrote: > > Y U USE SKYPE? > > yep. some researchers are still stuck there for con calls. i hate it. > > welp, at least the nsa can keep trac in real-time. they have that going for them.

Re: skype attack

2019-02-13 Thread Randy Bush
> Y U USE SKYPE? yep. some researchers are still stuck there for con calls. i hate it. randy

Re: skype attack

2019-02-13 Thread Christopher Morrow
Y U USE SKYPE? On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 3:11 PM Randy Bush wrote: > an update to skype will pop up and ask you > > > deny. you will have to deny repeatedly. there is no reason in the > world skype should have access to your icloud, contacts, ... > > randy

skype attack

2019-02-13 Thread Randy Bush
an update to skype will pop up and ask you deny. you will have to deny repeatedly. there is no reason in the world skype should have access to your icloud, contacts, ... randy

Re: Latency question - Juniper MX960 vs the Tellabs 8860

2019-02-13 Thread Steve Danello
Yes thank you Saku! We’ve accounted for the fiber distance. We just want to be able to quote the hardware latency. Thanks for verifying that Juniper; just need the Tellabs... thank you:) Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 13, 2019, at 12:53 PM, Saku Ytti wrote: > > Hey Steve, > > 15us would

Re: BGP topological vs centralized route reflector

2019-02-13 Thread Saku Ytti
Hey, in-band, out-of-band is bit of misnomers to me. You mean in-path or out-of-path. Main advantage of out-of-path is that you decouple FIB and RIB scaling requirements and feature requirements. Your backbone device does not need to be qualified for large RIB or BGP at all. And when you do

Re: Latency question - Juniper MX960 vs the Tellabs 8860

2019-02-13 Thread Saku Ytti
Hey Steve, 15us would be more than you'll realistically see in uncongested MX960, but it is in the ball-bark. I've not tried Tellabs, if customer is latency sensitive you probably want to look constant time pipeline devices rather than run to completion npus. You'll see low single digit us on

Re: VPS providers contacts

2019-02-13 Thread Mark Blackman
> On 11 Feb 2019, at 18:18, Jordan Michaels wrote: > > Virtkick was acquired by OnApp > (https://www.virtkick.com/blog/onapp-to-acquire-virtkick.html), so you might > be able to contact OnApp about it. "Ultimately, the acquisition was not consummated, and Virtkick remained an independent

Re: VPS providers contacts

2019-02-13 Thread Owen DeLong
I highly recommend NetActuate. Awesome folks, great network and customer interface and willing to do custom stuff when needed. Very flexible and easy to work with. Owen > On Feb 11, 2019, at 10:18 , Jordan Michaels wrote: > > Virtkick was acquired by OnApp >

Re: VPS providers contacts

2019-02-13 Thread Jordan Michaels
Virtkick was acquired by OnApp (https://www.virtkick.com/blog/onapp-to-acquire-virtkick.html), so you might be able to contact OnApp about it. Hope this helps. -- Kind regards, Jordan Michaels Vivio Technologies - Original Message - From: "Mehmet Akcin" To: "nanog" Sent: Friday, 8

IEEE 802.3 Ethernet Bandwidth Assessment

2019-02-13 Thread John DAmbrosia
All, I am chairing the IEEE 802.3 New Ethernet Applications ad hoc, which has an activity underway that is looking at doing an update to its 2012 Ethernet Bandwidth Assessment (see http://www.ieee802.org/3/ad_hoc/bwa/BWA_Report.pdf). Please note that this effort will focus on gathering information

Re: Last Mile Design

2019-02-13 Thread Fletcher Kittredge
For my fellow americans, LLUB stands for Local Loop UnBundling. What we might call a Unbundled Network Element. On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 5:49 AM Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: > On Mon, 11 Feb 2019, Mark Tinka wrote: > > >> In any case, we are now building out our own fiber to cover the gaps > >>

BGP topological vs centralized route reflector

2019-02-13 Thread Mohammad Khalil
Dears Am trying to find some documents and practical implementations regarding bgp topological vs centralized route reflector(In-band vs out-of-band) Any good shares are appreciated

Re: Last Mile Design [American Operators]

2019-02-13 Thread Fletcher Kittredge
I find the input to this discussion from non-US operators very useful. Thank you. One flaw of America is our parochialism and isolation means we don't learn from experiences elsewhere. We are so used to leading the world in technology that we have very little exposure to advances outside of the

Fwd: wither cyclops?

2019-02-13 Thread william manning
-- Forwarded message - From: william manning Date: Sat, Feb 9, 2019 at 9:34 PM Subject: wither cyclops? To: Did this tool die on the vine? https://cyclops.cs.ucla.edu/ /Wm

Latency question - Juniper MX960 vs the Tellabs 8860

2019-02-13 Thread Steve Danello
Looking for two latency profiles, best/worst cast would be great for the Telllabs 8860 and Juniper MX960. Looks like the Juniper may be in the 15us range Both cases would be a 10Gb -1Gb and 1Gb - 10Gb We’d understand the serialization piece; really looking to provide a customer the

Spoofer Report for NANOG for Jan 2019

2019-02-13 Thread CAIDA Spoofer Project
In response to feedback from operational security communities, CAIDA's source address validation measurement project (https://spoofer.caida.org) is automatically generating monthly reports of ASes originating prefixes in BGP for systems from which we received packets with a spoofed source address.

Re: AT/as7018 now drops invalid prefixes from peers

2019-02-13 Thread Owen DeLong
> > 1/ For instance AT does not accept BGP UPDATES with 2914 anywhere in the > AS_PATH except on the direct EBGP sessions between 7018 and 2914. This means > that you can craft BGP UPDATES with 2914 all you want, but 7018 won't accept > them. You can't inject yourself between AT and NTT