Re: Anyone seeing peering/connectivity issues in San Jose?

2020-02-12 Thread Brielle
Further follow up, there appears to be a high amount of congestion between CenturyLink and Telia at their peering in California. Wonder if there’s another major download event going on? Sent from my iPad > On Feb 12, 2020, at 8:40 PM, Brielle wrote: > > Just a quick followup - someone

Re: Anyone seeing peering/connectivity issues in San Jose?

2020-02-12 Thread Brielle
Just a quick followup - someone from DO contacted me offlist to check into possible issues. I'm sorry for my really crappy wording in the original message - had a long day. Basic symptoms seem to be essentially a 'blackhole' somewhere between CL/L3 and DO going to the SFO2 data center. I

Anyone seeing peering/connectivity issues in San Jose?

2020-02-12 Thread Brielle
Anyone else seeing peering / connectivity / peering issues in San Jose this evening? To one of my servers at Digital Ocean in San Jose from CenturyLink Boise, ID... 4 2 ms 2 ms 2 ms boi2-edge-04.inet.qwest.net [63.224.242.57] 514 ms14 ms18 ms

Re: akamai yesterday - what in the world was that

2020-02-12 Thread Carsten Bormann
On 2020-02-12, at 20:45, Mike Hammett wrote: > > Aren't most modern consoles on whether they're "on" or not? IE: It's not a > full power up from a dead stop, 0 watts power usage. https://www.anandtech.com/show/7528/the-xbox-one-mini-review-hardware-analysis/5 says two-digit standby power

Re: akamai yesterday - what in the world was that

2020-02-12 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 2/12/20 11:48, Josh Luthman wrote: In low power state, usually standby, they're connected to the network and listen for requests to download a new title (bought online) or updates.  I know on the Xbox One side of things this feature is semi-off by default as it turns the HDD off to save

Re: akamai yesterday - what in the world was that

2020-02-12 Thread Tom Deligiannis
My point was, the user has the option properly configured, but the console still isn't updating until the console is turned on. I'm not implying that it doesn't work, I'm simply stating that some users claim to have the options configured properly but that updates are still not downloading w/o

Re: akamai yesterday - what in the world was that

2020-02-12 Thread Mike Hammett
It seems like spinning up the disk if there's an update would be trivial. *shrugs* - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Josh Luthman" To: "Tom Deligiannis" Cc: "Mike Hammett" , "NANOG

Re: akamai yesterday - what in the world was that

2020-02-12 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Mike Hammett said: > Aren't most modern consoles on whether they're "on" or not? IE: It's not a > full power up from a dead stop, 0 watts power usage. The Xbox One kind of does that - it can receive updates (both game and OS) in that state, but it depends on other settings.

Re: akamai yesterday - what in the world was that

2020-02-12 Thread Josh Luthman
Because the disks are shut off by default in standby mode. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 2:53 PM Tom Deligiannis wrote: > Aren't most modern consoles on whether they're "on" or not? IE: It's not >> a

Re: Peering/Transit eBGP sessions -pet or cattle?

2020-02-12 Thread Baldur Norddahl
On Tue, Feb 11, 2020 at 12:33 AM Lukas Tribus wrote: > > Therefore, if being down for several minutes is not ok, you > > should invest in dual links to your transits. And connect those > > to two different routers. If possible with a guarantee the > > transits use two routers at their end and

Re: akamai yesterday - what in the world was that

2020-02-12 Thread Tom Deligiannis
> > Aren't most modern consoles on whether they're "on" or not? IE: It's not > a full power up from a dead stop, 0 watts power usage. > > I'd think they'd be able to come out of sleep mode on their own, download > the update, then go back to sleep. > Xbox has this feature, but it doesn't work

Re: akamai yesterday - what in the world was that

2020-02-12 Thread Josh Luthman
In low power state, usually standby, they're connected to the network and listen for requests to download a new title (bought online) or updates. I know on the Xbox One side of things this feature is semi-off by default as it turns the HDD off to save power, but it's still in standby in the sense

Re: akamai yesterday - what in the world was that

2020-02-12 Thread Mike Hammett
Aren't most modern consoles on whether they're "on" or not? IE: It's not a full power up from a dead stop, 0 watts power usage. I'd think they'd be able to come out of sleep mode on their own, download the update, then go back to sleep. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing

Re: akamai yesterday - what in the world was that

2020-02-12 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 2/12/20 11:31, Livingood, Jason wrote: But I think folks are correct that the issue may be more that a given gaming device was turned off at night (though no reason that device could not pre-cache the content from the source). In any case, there should be a better way to address this. The

Re: akamai yesterday - what in the world was that

2020-02-12 Thread Livingood, Jason
(as an aside) Some of this timed & controlled distribution (by the content originator) should be possible using IETF Content Delivery Network Interconnection (CDNI) standards - see https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/cdni/documents/. The initial RFC 6707 provides some background -

Re: akamai yesterday - what in the world was that

2020-02-12 Thread Scott Weeks
-- On 2/11/20 6:41 PM, Tom Deligiannis wrote: > There is a major update that has released today, how's everything > looking for everyone? --- Did anyone else notice a big traffic dip from noon to 8pm local time?

Re: akamai yesterday - what in the world was that

2020-02-12 Thread Scott Weeks
-- On 2/11/20 6:41 PM, Tom Deligiannis wrote: > There is a major update that has released today, how's everything > looking for everyone? --- eyeball network here... It shifted our traffic patterns to earlier peaks. It

Re: akamai yesterday - what in the world was that

2020-02-12 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 2/12/20 10:02, Jared Mauch wrote: When you see this please raise it to my attention. I can't promise a resolution but will promise clarity in what is going on. This was in May 2019 so what's done is done at this point, but I will forward you the email offlist.

Re: akamai yesterday - what in the world was that

2020-02-12 Thread Jared Mauch
When you see this please raise it to my attention. I can't promise a resolution but will promise clarity in what is going on. I know some cities are problematic as we are moving cages or datacenter space and have the usual related problems. There is always something. Sent from my iCar >

Re: akamai yesterday - what in the world was that

2020-02-12 Thread Seth Mattinen
The wheels of bureaucracy are certainly a problem. The largest peer on our local exchange couldn't even get Akamai to complete a peering turn up because whoever was working on the ticket on the Akamai side got stuck on trying to set up the wrong location. And then months pass, it never got

Re: akamai yesterday - what in the world was that

2020-02-12 Thread Denys Fedoryshchenko
It would be really nice if the major CDNs had virtual machines small network operators with very expensive regional transport costs could spin up. Hit rate would be very low, of course, but the ability to grab some of these mass-market huge updates and serve them on the other end of the regional

Re: akamai yesterday - what in the world was that

2020-02-12 Thread Brandon Martin
On 2/12/20 11:56 AM, Chris Adams wrote: I think security is probably the sticking point for this. Content owners don't want anybody having direct access to their files, and as more content is distributed over HTTPS, content distributors don't wany anbody having access to their certificates.

Re: akamai yesterday - what in the world was that

2020-02-12 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Brandon Martin said: > I guess what I'm looking for is a more "standard product". Load > this VM, tell it your preference for upstream use vs. hit rate, let > it announce some routes into your network, and you take what you > get. If you need more, presumably you have the

Re: akamai yesterday - what in the world was that

2020-02-12 Thread Brandon Martin
On 2/12/20 11:22 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote: My experience is that they want to see lots of traffic growth to stay interested. As companies get bigger the minimum bar to play keeps going up, and anyone below that bar is stuck relying on transit. Fall below the bar or don't show enough growth fast

Re: akamai yesterday - what in the world was that

2020-02-12 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 2/12/20 8:36 AM, Aaron Gould wrote: Netflix oca has it figured out, as my fill windows is during off-peak time, 2 a.m. - 6 am. and I think it's also configurable in the oca portal. It's not fill, it's that people don't turn on their xbox or whatever until after they get home from work

RE: akamai yesterday - what in the world was that

2020-02-12 Thread Aaron Gould
Netflix oca has it figured out, as my fill windows is during off-peak time, 2 a.m. - 6 am. and I think it's also configurable in the oca portal. -Aaron

Re: akamai yesterday - what in the world was that

2020-02-12 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 2/12/20 8:13 AM, Brandon Martin wrote: It would be really nice if the major CDNs had virtual machines small network operators with very expensive regional transport costs could spin up.  Hit rate would be very low, of course, but the ability to grab some of these mass-market huge updates

Re: akamai yesterday - what in the world was that

2020-02-12 Thread Brandon Martin
On 2/12/20 10:59 AM, Dave Bell wrote: Night-time for you is daytime for someone else. This is very true, though I am curious what the international demographics are like for COD in particular and many games in general. I suspect a lot of them are at least somewhat regional. I agree that

Re: akamai yesterday - what in the world was that

2020-02-12 Thread Dave Bell
On Wed, 12 Feb 2020 at 14:46, Brandon Martin wrote: > It would be nice if things could drop overnight to hopefully > spread things out during the daytime lull some. > Night-time for you is daytime for someone else. I agree that the folks pushing these massive data loads could be considerate

Re: akamai yesterday - what in the world was that

2020-02-12 Thread Jared Mauch
Our CEO tweeted out a new platform peak yesterday which when you round it from the many trailing 9’s is 140T. https://twitter.com/TomLeightonAKAM/status/1227389107665592320 I want to ensure the bits get through with the least pain as possible. I’m expecting more of the same in the future, so

Re: akamai yesterday - what in the world was that

2020-02-12 Thread Jason Canady
We saw a higher load overnight, a little bit of a spike last night, but really hard to tell overall with our traffic.  Updates were still going at 8am today.  We run a local/regional WISP. On 2/12/20 9:46 AM, Brandon Martin wrote: On 2/11/20 6:41 PM, Tom Deligiannis wrote: There is a major

Re: Flow based architecture in data centers(more specifically Telco Clouds)

2020-02-12 Thread Glen Kent
Hi, On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 3:22 PM Saku Ytti wrote: > On Sun, 9 Feb 2020 at 23:09, Rod Beck > wrote: > > > I am curious about the distinction about the flow versus non-flow > architecture for data centers and I am also fascinated by the separate > issue of WAN architecture for these > > Based

Re: akamai yesterday - what in the world was that

2020-02-12 Thread Brandon Martin
On 2/11/20 6:41 PM, Tom Deligiannis wrote: There is a major update that has released today, how's everything looking for everyone? I run a couple distinct very small networks. Both are transit-only with no direct peering or local caching and generally sub-gbps. One set a new 1-min 95%

Telia and Level3 in Toronto

2020-02-12 Thread Drew Weaver
Has anyone else noticed a bit of a capacity or packet loss issue between Telia and Level3 in Toronto? In my specific case I was able to avoid it because I had a better route but it appears that they are trying to push more traffic through that link than it can handle. Thanks, -Drew

Re: akamai yesterday - what in the world was that

2020-02-12 Thread Aaron Gould
Good point Bryan... With my single 10 gig pegged out for a few hours sustained, I guess it remains to be seen exactly how high that peak would go if I gave it more capacity -Aaron - Original Message - From: Bryan Holloway To: Nanog@nanog.org Sent: Wed, 12 Feb 2020 07:59:20 -0500 (EST)

Re: akamai yesterday - what in the world was that

2020-02-12 Thread Bryan Holloway
Is 10G enough? ;) We just lit up several 100G Akamai links. Saved the day fo sho ... (this time.) On 2/11/20 8:26 PM, Aaron Gould wrote: Huge!  Big as ever.  My aanp links are (were) pegged, seriously.  I will be contacting Akamai about lighting up an additional 10 gig link to my local