Re: plea for comcast/sprint handoff debug help

2020-11-05 Thread Christopher Morrow
I hate to jump in late. but... :) After reading this a few times it seems like what's going on is: o a set of assumptions were built into the software stack this seems fine, hard to build with some assumptions :) o the assumptions seem to include: "if rrdp fails feel free to jump

Re: BGP Peers Data modeling schema

2020-11-05 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Thu, Nov 5, 2020 at 4:27 PM Christopher Morrow wrote: > > 1) I shot myself in the foot .. the meeting data I cared about is > directly available on www.nanog.org (or the link to it anyway) > > 2) I meant feb 2020 (which SEEMS like 1.5yrs ago? or 100.5 yrs ago? :) > ) and meeting 78: >

Re: BGP Peers Data modeling schema

2020-11-05 Thread Christopher Morrow
1) I shot myself in the foot .. the meeting data I cared about is directly available on www.nanog.org (or the link to it anyway) 2) I meant feb 2020 (which SEEMS like 1.5yrs ago? or 100.5 yrs ago? :) ) and meeting 78: https://www.nanog.org/meetings/nanog-78/ specifically this talk:

Re: Technology risk without safeguards

2020-11-05 Thread Sabri Berisha
- On Nov 5, 2020, at 5:58 AM, Tom Beecher wrote: Hi, >> The parts that Tom cited, are very much relevant, and only reinforce the >> notion that at this time, we simply do not know enough. We do know, that >> at the low doses we generally receive, there is no evidence for harmful >>

Re: Verizon or Verizon Wireless contact

2020-11-05 Thread Mike Hammett
https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Jeff Shultz" To: "North American Network Operators' Group" Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2020 2:26:25

Verizon or Verizon Wireless contact

2020-11-05 Thread Jeff Shultz
Looking for a contact with a clue at Verizon/Wireless who can help me with a problem, to wit, Verizon is blocking calls from our landline customers to one of their local wireless prefixes. We've got the error that the Verizon switch gives ("Welcome to Verizon your call can not be completed as

Re: BGP Peers Data modeling schema

2020-11-05 Thread David Bass
I second Jeff in using YANG. On Thu, Nov 5, 2020 at 1:37 PM Jeff Tantsura wrote: > YANG is the right direction. > OpenConfig BGP and policy models are supported by every vendor on the > earth. > We are finalizing IETF BGP and policy models > draft-ietf-rtgwg-policy-model is about to be

Re: BGP Peers Data modeling schema

2020-11-05 Thread Jeff Tantsura
YANG is the right direction. OpenConfig BGP and policy models are supported by every vendor on the earth. We are finalizing IETF BGP and policy models draft-ietf-rtgwg-policy-model is about to be last-called draft-ietf-idr-bgp-model is pretty much ready Cheers, Jeff On Nov 5, 2020, 4:57 AM -0800,

Re: BGP Peers Data modeling schema

2020-11-05 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Thu, Nov 5, 2020 at 7:55 AM Douglas Fischer wrote: > > I'm designing a tool for provisioning configurations for an ITP and his Peers. > The idea is that based on that, all the configs to all the involved > components configurations to be deployed based on that source of data. I'm > Talking

Re: Technology risk without safeguards

2020-11-05 Thread Suresh Kalkunte
Sir, I too believe in taking a low profile approach, but the irony is that those in academia who I have appoached that do recognize this gap in safeguards are reticent to take up this topic since it involves research intersecting with negative actors. I do not wish to take more time from this

Re: Technology risk without safeguards

2020-11-05 Thread William Herrin
On Thu, Nov 5, 2020 at 5:59 AM Tom Beecher wrote: > Let's say roughly half of the science says the hypothesis is false, and half > says it is true. It is absolutely fair in this case to state "We don't know > enough." Hi Tom, Strictly speaking, if a hypothesis is disproven by even one

Re: Technology risk without safeguards

2020-11-05 Thread Alain Hebert
    Well,     I'm just saying...         Speculating about "how to/was harm", on an open forum, is a good way to help design "scenarios" that can be abused by bad actors.  It would be better to address it in an academia setting.     *Now* if you're looking for worker safety, surely your

Re: Technology risk without safeguards

2020-11-05 Thread Suresh Kalkunte
> Can you provide a case where this may > have happened? > As you mention, a normal operational scenario finds powerful RF on the rooftop. My concern is an abnormal scenario where powerful RF is used to sabotage an electronic equipment or human. Magnetron + horn antenna (forgive me for using this

Re: Technology risk without safeguards

2020-11-05 Thread Suresh Kalkunte
> ...who THINKS he MIGHT have identified > something to the contrary does not instantly > disqualify the thousands of studies that have > already been completed on the topic > I am not a doctor. The majority of results you refer to is equivalent to the Sun' impact on human situated on Earth's

Technology risk without safeguards

2020-11-05 Thread Suresh Kalkunte
Hi Sabri, I hope by now my position on health effects from RF is becoming apparent, ie., my focus is exclusively on health effects from chronic overexposure scenarios (unintentional overexposure experienced by firefighters, telecom workers etc. and intentional overexposure) which have attracted

Re: Technology risk without safeguards

2020-11-05 Thread Suresh Kalkunte
Oops, meant include this reference *1 Mashevich M, Folkman D, Kesar A, et. al. Exposure of human peripheral blood lymphocytes to electromagnetic fields associated with cellular phones leads to chromosomal instability. Bioelectromagnetics. 2003;24:82–90. On Thursday, November 5, 2020, Suresh

Re: Technology risk without safeguards

2020-11-05 Thread Suresh Kalkunte
Hello, > ...I agree with Suresh that at this time, there > is no scientific evidence that links RF with > any kind of bodily harm. > Please note that there is scientific evidence to link chronic exposure to RF result in chromosome instability*1, however there is no diagnostic test to attribute a

Technology risk without safeguards

2020-11-05 Thread Suresh Kalkunte
Existing research on health effects from RF signals dwell on emissions from regulated sources, (mobile handset, base of a tower etc), my overriding concern is, unrestricted/chronic exposure for extended duration of time for which there are very rare research efforts devoted. Chronic exposure to

Re: Technology risk without safeguards

2020-11-05 Thread Suresh Kalkunte
> Vulnerability to EMI is a lot less than folks imagine. > I hope that is true. > Malicious use of EMI emitters to harm > human health is definitely out of scope for > this list. > I am of the belief that people are as important as electronic equipment in the gamut of workplace safety in the

Re: Technology risk without safeguards

2020-11-05 Thread Suresh Kalkunte
> There is other venues to work this out > "safely", IMHO. > I started this effort for safeguards in July 2007. Until 2018, I did exactly what you mention. The FCC's Office of Engineeting and Technology in 2015 has been the only government agency that replied to my email query on jurisdiction

Technology risk without safeguards

2020-11-05 Thread Suresh Kalkunte
> I'm a bit confused as to what this message > is trying to ultimately get at > The superior tactical advantage of causing intentional harm with high power beam-forming RF and escape detection. Meaning, assault with powerful RF leaves a victim and bystander unaware of being attacked and my

Re: {Disarmed} Re: Asus wifi AP re-writing DNS packets

2020-11-05 Thread Verdi R-D
I experienced this as well dealing with some soho "routers" such as the RT-AC1200. I imagine this configuration is something in-common with a lot of their offerings. The issue was resolved by making sure the primary DHCP server and the Asus device both pointed to the same DNS server. On Wed, Nov

Technology risk without safeguards

2020-11-05 Thread Suresh Kalkunte
Hello, > Did you test against common equipment > deployments or did you just measure the field > strength? > I have not conducted any test, only going by the field strength that is capable of causing EMI. > In common equipment deployments, the > electronics are wrapped in two layers of > Faraday

RE: Technology risk without safeguards

2020-11-05 Thread nathanb
To that end, anyone working around RF should be properly trained and use the safety tools provided them, they should be fine. If an untrained individual does something and gets hurt with high power RF, it is unfortunate and happens all too often because of people thinking that the worst case

Re: Technology risk without safeguards

2020-11-05 Thread Tom Beecher
> > The parts that Tom cited, are very much relevant, and > * only reinforce thenotion that at this time, we simply do not know > enough.* We do know, that > at the low doses we generally receive, there is no evidence for harmful > consequences. > > My point is that we should not dismiss the

Re: Bird Router Appliance projects

2020-11-05 Thread Douglas Fischer
I received some contacts in PVT... And joining the recommendations of some of them, I will give a shot with BSDRP+Napalm(with Ansible). Let's see if it can scale as expected. Thank you all. Em qua., 4 de nov. de 2020 às 05:15, Douglas Fischer < fischerdoug...@gmail.com> escreveu: > I'm

BGP Peers Data modeling schema

2020-11-05 Thread Douglas Fischer
I'm designing a tool for provisioning configurations for an ITP and his Peers. The idea is that based on that, all the configs to all the involved components configurations to be deployed based on that source of data. I'm Talking about Routers, BMP, SNMP tool(Ex.: Zabbix), etc... But, once again,