Re: DoD IP Space

Jason, The government subsidizes farms, too. That doesn’t mean we let them be militarized. Logic. :) -mel On Apr 24, 2021, at 4:35 PM, Jason Biel wrote:  The internet that is subsidized by that same Government Logic. On Sat, Apr 24, 2021 at 18:19 Mel Beckman

Re: DoD IP Space

Ryan, My motives are not political. It doesn’t matter which party is behind this (and it looks like both would have to be, based on the timeline). I’m treating this sudden advertisement of IP space as I would any other hostile actor, which NANOGers filter all the time. If the DOD comes clean

RE: DoD IP Space

Mel, I hope you're not implementing this in an ISP network, it's not net neutral if a carrier is making a (political) route/filtering decision. (Points to The Great Firewall of China) Ryan -Original Message- From: NANOG On Behalf Of Mel Beckman Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2021 4:17 PM

Re: DoD IP Space

The internet that is subsidized by that same Government Logic. On Sat, Apr 24, 2021 at 18:19 Mel Beckman wrote: > Bill, > > It’s the INTERNET that is civilian, not the IP space. As long as that IP > space was isolated to the .mil network, it was private space, as far as the > Internet was

Re: DoD IP Space

Bill, It’s the INTERNET that is civilian, not the IP space. As long as that IP space was isolated to the .mil network, it was private space, as far as the Internet was concerned. Now DoD has moved it into the civilian Internet, and I treat them as potentially malicious as I do any other

Re: DoD IP Space

On Sat, Apr 24, 2021 at 8:26 AM Mel Beckman wrote: > This doesn’t sound good, no matter how you slice it. The lack of > transparency with a civilian resource is troubling at a minimum. You do understand that the addresses in question are not and have never been "civilian." They came into DoD's

Re: RIP Dan Kaminsky

Well, shit. This makes me really sad. Godspeed wherever the universe takes you. *raises her glass* Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 24, 2021, at 12:27 PM, George Herbert wrote: > >  > Reported widely on Twitter by his personal friends, Dan Kaminsky passed away > yesterday. The DNS community

Re: RIP Dan Kaminsky

He was such an amazing friend. I still can't process the vacuum left behind. On Sat, Apr 24, 2021, 11:28 AM George Herbert wrote: > > Reported widely on Twitter by his personal friends, Dan Kaminsky passed > away yesterday. The DNS community has lost an immense contributor. > > > -George > >

RIP Dan Kaminsky

Reported widely on Twitter by his personal friends, Dan Kaminsky passed away yesterday. The DNS community has lost an immense contributor. -George Sent from my iPhone

Re: DoD IP Space

I encourage my competition to make equally arbitrary routing decisions. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Mel Beckman" To: "Mike Hammett" Cc: nanog@nanog.org, "John Curran" Sent:

Re: DoD IP Space

In this specific case the group of self-described DOD network cowboys who, due to lack of transparency and public oversight, could be doing all manner of nefarious things with this IP space. It can’t help to let it in, and it can definitely hurt. But you know that. So why are you playing dumb?

Re: DoD IP Space

"proven-malicious IP space owner" The DoD? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Mel Beckman" To: "Mike Hammett" Cc: nanog@nanog.org, "John Curran" Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2021

Re: DoD IP Space

I will not permit traffic into my network whose proven-malicious IP space owner is devious about its purpose. You can, if you want. -mel On Apr 24, 2021, at 8:28 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:  Huh? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions

Re: DoD IP Space

Huh? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Mel Beckman" To: "John Curran" Cc: nanog@nanog.org Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2021 10:24:45 AM Subject: Re: DoD IP Space This doesn’t sound

Re: DoD IP Space

This doesn’t sound good, no matter how you slice it. The lack of transparency with a civilian resource is troubling at a minimum. I’m going to bogon this space as a defensive measure, until its real — and detailed — purpose can be known. The secret places of our government have proven

Re: DoD IP Space

As noted - https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2021/04/24/pentagon-internet-address-mystery/#click=https://t.co/mVh26yBq9G FYI, /John John Curran President and CEO American Registry for Internet Numbers On Jan 20, 2021, at 8:35 AM, John Curran wrote:  Tom – Most definitely: lack of

Re: BGP and The zero window edge

Job Snijders via NANOG writes: > *RIGHT NOW* (at the moment of writing), there are a number of zombie > route visible in the IPv6 Default-Free Zone: [Reversing the order of your two examples] > Another one is > http://lg.ring.nlnog.net/prefix_detail/lg01/ipv6?q=2a0b:6b86:d24::/48 >