Re: Google uploading your plain text passwords

2021-06-11 Thread Damian Menscher via NANOG
On Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 12:48 PM Matthew Petach wrote: > > That's the part that would leave me concerned. > Having my email password compromised? > That's a bit of a "meh" moment. > Suddenly discovering that one password now gave access to > potentially all my financial accounts as well? >

Re: [nanog] Famous operational issues

2021-06-11 Thread Dan Mahoney
I only just now found this thread, so I'm sorry I'm late to the party, but here, I put it on Medium. https://gushi.medium.com/the-worst-day-ever-at-my-day-job-beff7f4170aa > On Mar 12, 2021, at 10:07 PM, Mark Tinka wrote: > > Hardly famous and not service-affecting in the end, but figured I'd

Re: Google uploading your plain text passwords

2021-06-11 Thread Stephen Bertram
-- Forwarded message - From: William Herrin Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2021, 17:04 Subject: Google uploading your plain text passwords To: nanog@nanog.org Howdy, My gmail account prompted me today to change a compromised password. It wasn't compromised; it was an offline system where I

Re: Google uploading your plain text passwords

2021-06-11 Thread William Herrin
On Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 1:05 PM César de Tassis Filho wrote: > Google uses your Google Account's password to encrypt passwords synced to the > cloud. That is why passwords saved on Android and synced to the cloud can be > read elsewhere (including passwords.google.com). > > As I mentioned

Re: Google uploading your plain text passwords

2021-06-11 Thread Michael Thomas
On Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 12:01 PM William Herrin wrote: > On Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 10:27 AM Michael Thomas wrote: > > Isn't that what lots of password managers do? I understand that one of > them syncs point to point, but that has the downside that it probably needs > to be on the same subnet. >

Re: Google uploading your plain text passwords

2021-06-11 Thread César de Tassis Filho
Google uses your Google Account's password to encrypt passwords synced to the cloud. That is why passwords saved on Android and synced to the cloud can be read elsewhere (including passwords.google.com). As I mentioned before, if you want to avoid this behavior Google offers you a way to use a

Operational Implications of IPv6 Extension Headers (Fwd: [v6ops] I-D Action: draft-ietf-v6ops-ipv6-ehs-packet-drops-08.txt)

2021-06-11 Thread Fernando Gont via NANOG
Hi, folks, After almost 7+ years of working on this topic, our internet-draft entitled Operational Implications of IPv6 Packets with Extension Headers¨ ( https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-v6ops-ipv6-ehs-packet-drops-08 ), has been approved for publication as an IETF RFC. I

Re: irrd 4.1.2 deployed at NTT

2021-06-11 Thread Randy Bush
>> i am sure there are more things to do; and hope that wiser folk will >> expand, comment, and correct. > > Stay far away from AS0... one of 42 ways, invented by clever people, to shoot yourself in the foot randy

Re: Google uploading your plain text passwords

2021-06-11 Thread Matthew Petach
On Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 12:32 PM Peter Beckman wrote: > On Fri, 11 Jun 2021, William Herrin wrote: > > > On Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 9:42 AM César de Tassis Filho > > wrote: > >> Google does not have access to your plain-text passwords in either case. > > > > If they can display the plain text

Re: Any2 LAX

2021-06-11 Thread Mike Lyon
Like Seth, i haven’t gotten anything from them. -Mike > On Jun 11, 2021, at 12:08, Bryan Holloway wrote: > >  > >> On 6/11/21 8:25 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote: >>> On 6/11/21 11:18 AM, Bryan Holloway wrote: >>> This is what I got from those guys ... >>> >>> -- >>> >>> CoreSite Incident

Re: Google uploading your plain text passwords

2021-06-11 Thread Peter Beckman
On Fri, 11 Jun 2021, William Herrin wrote: On Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 9:42 AM César de Tassis Filho wrote: Google does not have access to your plain-text passwords in either case. If they can display the plain text passwords to me on my screen in a non-Google web browser then they have access

Re: Any2 LAX

2021-06-11 Thread Bryan Holloway
On 6/11/21 8:25 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote: On 6/11/21 11:18 AM, Bryan Holloway wrote: This is what I got from those guys ... -- CoreSite Incident Notification Description:  During a planned maintenance event to integrate new hardware into our MPLS core an extreme dip in Any2 traffic was

Re: Google uploading your plain text passwords

2021-06-11 Thread William Herrin
On Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 10:27 AM Michael Thomas wrote: > Isn't that what lots of password managers do? I understand that one of them > syncs point to point, but that has the downside that it probably needs to be > on the same subnet. It's exactly what lots of password managers with browser

Re: Cogent and Altice Contacts for Routing Issue

2021-06-11 Thread Vinny Abello via NANOG
This issue now seems resolved. If anyone here was directly responsible for the resolution, thank you. -Vinny Vinny Abello via NANOG wrote on 6/11/2021 11:17 AM: Hello, Please excuse the noise. If there are any network engineers from Cogent and Altice on the list, could you please email me

Re: Any2 LAX

2021-06-11 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 6/11/21 11:18 AM, Bryan Holloway wrote: This is what I got from those guys ... -- CoreSite Incident Notification Description:  During a planned maintenance event to integrate new hardware into our MPLS core an extreme dip in Any2 traffic was observed. After about 4 hours running in a

Re: Any2 LAX

2021-06-11 Thread Bryan Holloway
This is what I got from those guys ... -- CoreSite Incident Notification Description: During a planned maintenance event to integrate new hardware into our MPLS core an extreme dip in Any2 traffic was observed. After about 4 hours running in a degraded state, an emergency case was opened

Re: Any2 LAX

2021-06-11 Thread jim deleskie
Also saw a major traffic drop. There is a Root Cause to be issued early in the week I'm told. -jim On Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 2:42 PM Siyuan Miao wrote: > Yea, it was down but both RS are online and feeding us unreachable > nexthops during the outage . > > On Sat, Jun 12, 2021 at 1:27 AM Seth

Weekly Routing Table Report

2021-06-11 Thread Routing Analysis Role Account
This is an automated weekly mailing describing the state of the Internet Routing Table as seen from APNIC's router in Japan. The posting is sent to APOPS, NANOG, AfNOG, SANOG, PacNOG, SAFNOG TZNOG, MENOG, BJNOG, SDNOG, CMNOG, LACNOG and the RIPE Routing WG. Daily listings are sent to

Re: Google uploading your plain text passwords

2021-06-11 Thread Eric Kuhnke
I think you have only found the tip of the iceberg of things that Chrome and Google does without your express consent. On Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 9:48 AM William Herrin wrote: > On Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 9:38 AM Jan Schaumann via NANOG > wrote: > > William Herrin wrote: > > > It turns out that

Re: Any2 LAX

2021-06-11 Thread Siyuan Miao
Yea, it was down but both RS are online and feeding us unreachable nexthops during the outage . On Sat, Jun 12, 2021 at 1:27 AM Seth Mattinen wrote: > On 6/11/21 10:16 AM, Jon Lewis wrote: > > On Fri, 11 Jun 2021, Seth Mattinen wrote: > > > >> Did Any2 LAX barf last night between about 1am and

Re: Google uploading your plain text passwords

2021-06-11 Thread Michael Thomas
[sorry meant to send this to the list] Isn't that what lots of password managers do? I understand that one of them syncs point to point, but that has the downside that it probably needs to be on the same subnet. The actual problem here is that sites only allow a single password. if you could

Re: Any2 LAX

2021-06-11 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 6/11/21 10:16 AM, Jon Lewis wrote: On Fri, 11 Jun 2021, Seth Mattinen wrote: Did Any2 LAX barf last night between about 1am and 8am Pacific time? More like 00:00-7:45 (Pacific time). Anyone know what broke, and why the IX was dead for nearly 8 hours? This is our second recent issue with

Re: DANE of SMTP Survey

2021-06-11 Thread John Levine
It appears that Tom Ivar Helbekkmo via NANOG said: >John Levine writes: > >> I have signed all 300 zones on my DNS servers, but only about half of >> them have working DNSSEC because there is no practical way to install >> the DS records. > >Sounds like ICANN, having told us for a very long time

Re: Google uploading your plain text passwords

2021-06-11 Thread John Levine
It appears that William Herrin said: >On Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 9:42 AM César de Tassis Filho > wrote: >> Google does not have access to your plain-text passwords in either case. > >If they can display the plain text passwords to me on my screen in a >non-Google web browser then they have access to

Re: Any2 LAX

2021-06-11 Thread Jon Lewis
On Fri, 11 Jun 2021, Seth Mattinen wrote: Did Any2 LAX barf last night between about 1am and 8am Pacific time? More like 00:00-7:45 (Pacific time). Anyone know what broke, and why the IX was dead for nearly 8 hours? This is our second recent issue with "an Any2 IX", having dealt with an IX

Re: Any2 LAX

2021-06-11 Thread Mike Lyon
Something happened... All my traffic dropped between 1am to 3am. -Mike > On Jun 11, 2021, at 10:11, Seth Mattinen wrote: > > Did Any2 LAX barf last night between about 1am and 8am Pacific time?

Any2 LAX

2021-06-11 Thread Seth Mattinen
Did Any2 LAX barf last night between about 1am and 8am Pacific time?

Re: DANE of SMTP Survey

2021-06-11 Thread Tom Ivar Helbekkmo via NANOG
John Levine writes: > I have signed all 300 zones on my DNS servers, but only about half of > them have working DNSSEC because there is no practical way to install > the DS records. Sounds like ICANN, having told us for a very long time that they want DNSSEC everywhere, should attempt to get a

Re: irrd 4.1.2 deployed at NTT

2021-06-11 Thread Mark Tinka
On 6/10/21 20:08, Randy Bush wrote: i am sure there are more things to do; and hope that wiser folk will expand, comment, and correct. Stay far away from AS0... Mark.

Re: Google uploading your plain text passwords

2021-06-11 Thread William Herrin
On Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 9:42 AM César de Tassis Filho wrote: > Google does not have access to your plain-text passwords in either case. If they can display the plain text passwords to me on my screen in a non-Google web browser then they have access to my plain text passwords. Everything else is

Re: Google uploading your plain text passwords

2021-06-11 Thread William Herrin
On Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 9:38 AM Jan Schaumann via NANOG wrote: > William Herrin wrote: > > It turns out that every password I allowed Chrome on Android to > > remember, it uploaded to Google. In plain text!! > > Chrome does not store your passwords in plain text. > It encrypts them locally, on

Re: DANE of SMTP Survey

2021-06-11 Thread John Levine
It appears that Tom Ivar Helbekkmo via NANOG said: >Jeroen Massar via NANOG writes: > >> No, not even kidding. For many organisations DNSSEC is 'scary' and a >> burden as it feels 'fragile' for them. > >Unfortunately, yes. And those of us who use it know that this is a >myth. With modern

Re: Google uploading your plain text passwords

2021-06-11 Thread César de Tassis Filho
Google stores encrypted passwords. By default it uses your own Google Account password as part of the key to decrypt your other synced passwords. But you can change that and use a custom "sync passphrase". Once you're logged in your device can decrypt your passwords and compare them against

Re: Google uploading your plain text passwords

2021-06-11 Thread Jan Schaumann via NANOG
William Herrin wrote: > It turns out that every password I allowed Chrome on Android to > remember, it uploaded to Google. In plain text!! Chrome does not store your passwords in plain text. It encrypts them locally, on e.g. macOS using, I think, a secret stored in the keychain under "Chrome

Re: Google uploading your plain text passwords

2021-06-11 Thread Alain Hebert
    Hi,     I use Firefox and saved its profile inside a VeraCrypt disk, inside a Bitlocked disk, inside a Surface3 used only for that purpose =D.     ( Yeah that include a few physical MFA device and Shutdown instead of Sleeping, and yadi yada )     So GL with Chrome =D. - Alain Hebert

Re: Google uploading your plain text passwords

2021-06-11 Thread Josh Luthman
Disable "auto sign-in" and "Save and fill addresses" and there's more for payment methods, too. Josh Luthman 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 12:12 PM William Herrin wrote: > On Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 9:06 AM Josh

Re: Google uploading your plain text passwords

2021-06-11 Thread William Herrin
On Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 9:16 AM Matthias Merkel wrote: > On mobile: Chrome Settings -> Sync -> Uncheck Sync All -> Uncheck Passwords This works. Thank you. Still, on by default? How many billions of passwords does google now have stored with reversible encryption? Regards, Bill Herrin --

Re: Google uploading your plain text passwords

2021-06-11 Thread William Herrin
On Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 9:06 AM Josh Luthman wrote: > That's wrong, you CAN turn it off. I believe it's encrypted between Google > and your Chrome browser, it says so but I haven't confirmed this myself. Chrome can be configured to not remember passwords at all (makes a browser pretty

Re: Google uploading your plain text passwords

2021-06-11 Thread Josh Luthman
That's wrong, you CAN turn it off. I believe it's encrypted between Google and your Chrome browser, it says so but I haven't confirmed this myself. Chrome Settings, Password, disable "Offer to save passwords" Josh Luthman 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite

Google uploading your plain text passwords

2021-06-11 Thread William Herrin
Howdy, My gmail account prompted me today to change a compromised password. It wasn't compromised; it was an offline system where I intentionally used a generic password. But in the process... It turns out that every password I allowed Chrome on Android to remember, it uploaded to Google. In

Cogent and Altice Contacts for Routing Issue

2021-06-11 Thread Vinny Abello via NANOG
Hello, Please excuse the noise. If there are any network engineers from Cogent and Altice on the list, could you please email me directly. This is regarding a specific Altice IPv4 aggregate in the NYC area that Cogent in the NYC area is handing off to Zayo in San Jose for some reason. It

Re: DANE of SMTP Survey

2021-06-11 Thread Tom Ivar Helbekkmo via NANOG
Jeroen Massar via NANOG writes: > No, not even kidding. For many organisations DNSSEC is 'scary' and a > burden as it feels 'fragile' for them. Unfortunately, yes. And those of us who use it know that this is a myth. With modern software, DNSSEC is quick and easy to set up, and works just