Re: IPv6 woes - RFC

2021-09-04 Thread Carsten Bormann
> In fact, I am going to continue with said H.E. IPv6 tunnel, just without > advertising it to the network (RA / DHCPv6). I will have to statically > configure IPv6 on things that I want to use it on. There we get to the heart of things. The problem is not with IPv6 or your ISP (*), but with

Re: IPv6 woes - RFC

2021-09-04 Thread Grant Taylor via NANOG
On 9/4/21 11:43 PM, Saku Ytti wrote: Municipal fiber. ;-) Which is the point, you cannot capitalise offering IPv6, so offering it is bad for business. People who have adopted IPv6 have eaten into their margins for no utility. I don't understand. :-/ I view IPv6 as the biggest mistake of

Re: Hurricane Ida updates

2021-09-04 Thread Sean Donelan
On Sun, 5 Sep 2021, Eric Kuhnke wrote: During the peak of the rain storm in NJ+NY (see flooding deaths referenced in previous email), the wireless emergency alert systems were sending, simultaneously: 1) TORNADO WARNING SEEK SHELTER NOW GO TO BASEMENT [1] 2) FLOOD WARNING SEEK HIGH GROUND GET O

Re: IPv6 woes - RFC

2021-09-04 Thread Saku Ytti
On Sun, 5 Sept 2021 at 08:25, Grant Taylor via NANOG wrote: > - Municipal fiber - 1 Gbps - IPv4 only - $50 / month > - Local cable co. - ~100 Mbps - IPv4 and IPv6 - for $100 / month > - ILEC xDSL - ~50 Mbps - why would I look - for $100 month > > There may be cellular Internet options, but

Re: IPv6 woes - RFC

2021-09-04 Thread Grant Taylor via NANOG
On 9/4/21 2:44 PM, Jeroen Massar via NANOG wrote: SixXS shut down 4 years ago, to get ISPs to move their butts... as long as there are tunnels, they do not have a business case. I saw that. See also https://www.sixxs.net/sunset/ and the "Call Your ISP for IPv6" thing in 2016: https://www.sixx

Re: IPv6 woes - RFC

2021-09-04 Thread Aaron C. de Bruyn via NANOG
On Sat, Sep 4, 2021 at 9:36 PM Mark Tinka wrote: > Supporting the routing and forwarding of IP addresses is just about the > most basic thing any ISP should do. > > If that is low on their to-do list, what else could they possibly be doing? > Counting all the profit they make from a captive audi

Re: IPv6 woes - RFC

2021-09-04 Thread Mark Tinka
On 9/5/21 04:49, John Levine wrote: Well, some of us are. I have a choice of an excellent local fiber ISP that does not offer IPv6 or Spectrum cable which is generally awful but does have v6. So I use a tunnel. I have asked my ISP about IPv6 and their answer is that that they're not oppose

Re: IPv6 woes - RFC

2021-09-04 Thread Justin Streiner
On Sat, Sep 4, 2021, 22:49 John Levine wrote: > I have asked my ISP about IPv6 and their answer is that that they're not > opposed to > it but since I am the only person who has asked for it, it's quite low on > the list > of things to do. > Sounds like a consulting opportunity :) Thank you jms

Re: Hurricane Ida updates

2021-09-04 Thread Eric Kuhnke
During the peak of the rain storm in NJ+NY (see flooding deaths referenced in previous email), the wireless emergency alert systems were sending, simultaneously: 1) TORNADO WARNING SEEK SHELTER NOW GO TO BASEMENT [1] 2) FLOOD WARNING SEEK HIGH GROUND GET OUT OF BASEMENTS [2] 1: https://www.goog

Re: IPv6 woes - RFC

2021-09-04 Thread John Levine
According to Jeroen Massar via NANOG : >On 2021-09-04 23:02, Ryan Hamel wrote: >> Jeroen, >> >> > You people keep on giving money to ISPs that are not providing the >> service you want. >> >> Not everyone has the luxury of picking their ISP, > >But this list is NANOG Network Operators. We a

Re: IPv6 woes - RFC

2021-09-04 Thread Niels Bakker
* r...@rkhtech.org (Ryan Hamel) [Sat 04 Sep 2021, 23:04 CEST]: Not everyone has the luxury of picking their ISP, and the common consumer doesn't know or care about IPv6. They want Netflix to work and that's it. We just had a 100+ post thread about Netflix not working because CGNs were misclass

Re: IPv6 woes - RFC

2021-09-04 Thread Jeroen Massar via NANOG
On 2021-09-04 23:02, Ryan Hamel wrote: Jeroen, > You people keep on giving money to ISPs that are not providing the service you want. Not everyone has the luxury of picking their ISP, But this list is NANOG Network Operators. We are the ISPs and the common consumer doesn't know o

Re: IPv6 woes - RFC

2021-09-04 Thread Ryan Hamel
Jeroen Massar via NANOG wrote: > > > On 20210904, at 22:26, Grant Taylor via NANOG wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > Does anyone have any recommendation for a viable IPv6 tunnel broker / > provider in the U.S.A. /other/ /than/ Hurricane Electric? > > SixXS shut

Re: IPv6 woes - RFC

2021-09-04 Thread Jeroen Massar via NANOG
> On 20210904, at 22:26, Grant Taylor via NANOG wrote: > > Hi, > > Does anyone have any recommendation for a viable IPv6 tunnel broker / > provider in the U.S.A. /other/ /than/ Hurricane Electric? SixXS shut down 4 years ago, to get ISPs to move their butts... as long as

IPv6 woes - RFC

2021-09-04 Thread Grant Taylor via NANOG
Hi, Does anyone have any recommendation for a viable IPv6 tunnel broker / provider in the U.S.A. /other/ /than/ Hurricane Electric? I reluctantly just disabled IPv6 on my home network, provided by Hurricane Electric, because multiple services my wife uses are objecting to H.E.'s IPv6 address