Re: Frontier Dark Fiber

2022-08-03 Thread Jay R. Ashworth
"I wouldn't have thought that Frontier was able to offer dark fiber loops to end user customers at any kind of reasonable product-scale". Sorry; didn't know I had to show my work here. :-) Cheers, -- jra - Original Message - > From: "Eric Kuhnke" > To: "nanog@nanog.org list" > Sent: W

Re: IERS ponders reverse leapsecond...

2022-08-03 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)
Personally I'd like to see the UTC timescale be fixed to the TAI timescale with a fixed offset determined by whatever the offset is when they make the change. Or stated as a different solution with the same result: quit adding/removing seconds from the TAI to UTC offset. At the same time, those

RE: 400G forwarding - how does it work?

2022-08-03 Thread Jeff Tantsura
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Re: Frontier Dark Fiber

2022-08-03 Thread Eric Kuhnke
Any regional ILEC spanning at least a few counties in size will have some amount of inter-CO dark fiber, whether they want to sell it to any 3rd parties is entirely another question. On Wed, 3 Aug 2022 at 08:17, Jay Ashworth wrote: > I wouldn't have thought that Frontier was able to offer dark

Re: [CA Geeks] Vijay Gill

2022-08-03 Thread Mark Seiden
talk at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beuy9QbQ5lg (higher quality) slides at https://archive.nanog.org/meetings/nanog49/presentations/Monday/gill-keynote.pdf > On Aug 3, 2022, at 12:45 PM, Mel Beckman wrote: > > Besides his many contributions to Nanog, I knew Vij from Twilio. He was very >

Re: Frontier Dark Fiber

2022-08-03 Thread Jay R. Ashworth
- Original Message - > From: "Brandon Martin" > On 8/3/22 11:16, Jay Ashworth wrote: >> I wouldn't have thought that Frontier was able to offer dark fiber, >> since air distribution fan out is all GPON, is it not? >> >> If their fanout was active ethernet it might be a different story bu

Re: Frontier Dark Fiber

2022-08-03 Thread Brandon Martin
On 8/3/22 11:16, Jay Ashworth wrote: I wouldn't have thought that Frontier was able to offer dark fiber, since air distribution fan out is all GPON, is it not? If their fanout was active ethernet it might be a different story but... They have access to/control of a large amount of mid-mile an

Re: [CA Geeks] Vijay Gill

2022-08-03 Thread Mel Beckman
Besides his many contributions to Nanog, I knew Vij from Twilio. He was very willing to share his time at one of the Twillio conferences, where I had been hired to stand up the conference WiFi network on a leased gigabit pipe on very short notice. I became a Twilio user as a result of his enthus

Re: IERS ponders reverse leapsecond...

2022-08-03 Thread Jay R. Ashworth
- Original Message - > From: "Peter Beckman" > On Wed, 3 Aug 2022, Matthew Huff wrote: > This shouldn't cause huge issues, as most systems will not freak out and > die if the system clocks goes from 23:59:58 to 00:00:00. But things that > were supposed to happen at 23:59:59 on that day

RE: IERS ponders reverse leapsecond...

2022-08-03 Thread Daniel Marks via NANOG
This is why we've internally standardized on Leap smearing, an added benefit is that it keeps us in sync with Google and AWS who also smear time in the same way. Daniel Marks d...@nielmarks.com --- Original Message --- On Wednesday, August 3rd, 2022 at 11:33 AM, Matthew Huff wrote:

Fwd: [CA Geeks] Vijay Gill

2022-08-03 Thread Eric Germann via NANOG
> Begin forwarded message: > > From: Herb L via CAGeeks > Subject: [CA Geeks] Vijay Gill > Date: August 2, 2022 at 20:47:13 EDT > To: CA Geeks > Reply-To: Herb L > > All, > I was told that Vijay passed on from a heart attack while at work. I am > deeply saddened by the news and wish to con

RE: IERS ponders reverse leapsecond...

2022-08-03 Thread Peter Beckman
On Wed, 3 Aug 2022, Matthew Huff wrote: But it's hard enough to get developers to understand the need to code for 61 seconds in a minute, and now they would need to code for 59 seconds as well. If time systems simply skewed the time so that 60 seconds actually just took 61 seconds or 59 seconds

Re: IERS ponders reverse leapsecond...

2022-08-03 Thread Marshall Eubanks
Just to set the standard. There is no "during" a negative leap second. A positive leap second proceeds as 23:59:59 23:59:60 <--- second added here 00:00:00 A negative leap second proceeds as 23:59:58 00:00:00 <--- whoops! second 59 is gone!!! Those systems that "smear" leap seconds over a 24 ho

RE: IERS ponders reverse leapsecond...

2022-08-03 Thread Jay Ashworth
Sure. ALL of this has been gamed out, and I had believed, handled, by the 8601 nerds, and we ignore that investment of work at our peril. On August 3, 2022 11:33:09 AM EDT, Matthew Huff wrote: >True, > >But it's hard enough to get developers to understand the need to code for 61 >seconds in a

RE: IERS ponders reverse leapsecond...

2022-08-03 Thread Matthew Huff
True, But it's hard enough to get developers to understand the need to code for 61 seconds in a minute, and now they would need to code for 59 seconds as well. If time systems simply skewed the time so that 60 seconds actually just took 61 seconds or 59 seconds, there would be other issues, bu

Re: IERS ponders reverse leapsecond...

2022-08-03 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Wed, Aug 03, 2022 at 11:09:25AM -0400, Jay Ashworth wrote a message of 32 lines which said: > General press loses its *mind*: Indeed, they seem not to know what they write about. "atomic time – the universal way time is measured on Earth – may have to change" They don't even know the diffe

Re: Frontier Dark Fiber

2022-08-03 Thread Jay Ashworth
I wouldn't have thought that Frontier was able to offer dark fiber, since air distribution fan out is all GPON, is it not? If their fanout was active ethernet it might be a different story but... Cheers, -- jra On July 13, 2022 7:40:47 AM EDT, Mike Hammett wrote: >I'm looking for a contact at

IERS ponders reverse leapsecond...

2022-08-03 Thread Jay Ashworth
General press loses its *mind*: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/earth-spinning-faster-than-usual-shortest-day-ever/#app Have you tested leap second handling, especially in reverse? How do you simulate it? Are there existing test harnesses for simulating it? Cheers, -- jra -- Sent from my Androi

RE: Frontier Dark Fiber

2022-08-03 Thread John van Oppen
When working with ILECs it is important to differentiate what must be offered via ICAs and what is offered commercially. We for example sell a ton commercially but effectively none through our interconnection agreements anymore. (we being Ziply Fiber in WA/OR/ID/MT) From: NANOG On Behalf Of